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betsmate: Ok usual format. I name the race, you give me your thoughts.
betsmate: Starting at the beginning
betsmate: William Hill Supreme Novices´ Hurdle Grade 1 Cl1 2m110y
My Tent Or Yours (15/8), Jezki (11/2), Un Atout (7), Melodic Rendezvous (9), Champagne Fever (10), Dodging Bullets (10), Puffin Billy (16), River Maigue (16), Pique Sous (22), Mozoltov (25), Rock Critic (25), Rule The World (25), Cause Of Causes (33), Cheltenian (33), Flying Cross (66), Ifandbutwhynot (66), I Shot The Sheriff (100), Fire King (500), Ostentation (500)
Grasshopper: Jolly wins
WHITEHORSE: DEPENDS ON GOING
Comment From reet hi guys
Grasshopper: evening reet
Fist: Very hard to oppose as long as he handles the course
JamesRB: i managed to quickly lob a few pennies on MTOY at 4/1 as he was crossing the line at newbury. wouldn't back at the prices now.
Fist: Hi Reet
betsmate: Nice price James.
Grasshopper: "Fist in Sane and Reasonable Comment Shocker!"
JamesRB: melodic e/w probably a solid play
reet: Who's 15/8?
Fist: lol
Paul: I'm sticking with Jezki
Grasshopper: Pretty-hand second-string anyway
WHITEHORSE: fancy champagne fever e/w
swedish chef: Happy with Dodging Bullets e/way at 14/1 - fav should win but have doubts - I'll be sure of him after this race
Comment From Jerry Maguire In
Grasshopper: evening JM
betsmate: Ok, I think MTOY will set the tone for the festival
betsmate: Let's keep going
betsmate: Racing Post Arkle Challenge Trophy Chase Grade 1 Cl1 2m
Simonsig (4/6), Overturn (5/2), Arvika Ligeonniere (8), Captain Conan (12), Benefficient (25), Aupcharlie (33), Baily Green (33), Majala (40), His Excellency (50), Marito (50), Tap Night (50), Viva Colonia (66)
JamesRB: clean round and simonsig wins on steel
WHITEHORSE: fav to win by a mile
JamesRB: soft ground big neg for overturn
Paul: Simonsig all the way
Grasshopper: I'll be place-laying Overturn - won't go a yard on the ground.....something about Simonsig just makes me hesitate
Comment From Kauto Cheltenian overpriced???
swedish chef: Happy again with Simonsig ante post but will have stake saver on Overturn
Kauto: Whoops bit late
Fist: I simply can't make up my mind but I backed Overturn at 14/1 ew because he looked the only danger 12 months ago and nothing has changes
JamesRB: chances they decide to go with capt conan in this after soft ground & dynaste going jewson?
JamesRB: he'd worry me more than overturn tbh
betsmate: What do we think of Arvika Ligeonniere ?
Grasshopper: Ground coming his way......not a convincing enough jumper for me
Fist: AL will fall over his own feet at the pace these horses will go at
swedish chef: Capt Conan good e/way if going for this
Kauto: Really weak race really
Grasshopper: i cant imagine the yard will switch CC from Jeeson myself
Fist: CC would be tailed off by halfway way tooslow
JamesRB: lets hope not
Jerry Maguire: Arkle - Take on Overturn with Bennificient and Bailey Green w/o Simonsig
Grasshopper: So we've established JM is Slim then
betsmate: I'm guessing so.
reet: take on Overturn with anything
betsmate: Ok then how about a handicap to bring us back down to earth?
JLT Specialty Handicap Chase Grade 3 Cl1 3m110y
Our Mick (6), Cantlow (8), Fruity ORooney (10), Alfie Sherrin (14), Opening Batsman (14), The Package (14), Loch Ba (16), Carlito Brigante (20), Cloudy Too (20), Duke Of Lucca (20), Merry King (20), Midnight Chase (20), Monkerty Tunkerty (20), No Secrets (20), Quantitativeeasing (20), Sire Collonges (20), Toner dOudairies (20), Chartreux (25), Knockara Beau (25), Nadiya De La Vega (25)
Comment From bigfow simonsig is something special
Jerry Maguire: Indeed - Simonsig wins. Use Bennificient and Bailey Green e/w in multiples on day 1
WHITEHORSE: opening batsman good e/w
JamesRB: don't think opening batsman goes for this
reet: I like Openeing batsman,but haven't a clue where he runs?
bigfow: like the look of duke of lucca for this
JamesRB: don't think he even goes to fez
Kauto: Does sire colognes run?
Paul: Fruity O'rooney owes me, so I'm giving him one more chance
swedish chef: I like Fruity O Rooney but hope to get bigger price on the day
Grasshopper: I look at this today, and the front two look pretty solid. I would state an outright prefernce for Cantlow, if it wasn't for the fact he's trained by an arsehole
Fist: Only worry about overturn is he doesn't really get home in high class company.....both Rock on Ruby and Grandouet beat him easily over hurdles and the same thing could happen again with Simonsig
treetangle: Concern about ground but Loch Ba looks on a decent mark - 25/1 for a while but steadily supported despite not being tipped at previews
Jerry Maguire: I have a mildly dark one here. The 25/1 for Nadiya de la Vega is a bet. You might get 20/1 5 places on the day. It's a bet. Unexposed at this trip and loves the course.
betsmate: Mildly dark?
Comment From edgt Having read the Monkerty story during the week would love to see him doing well
betsmate: Ok championship race time:
Stan James Champion Hurdle Challenge Trophy Grade 1 Cl1 2m110y
Hurricane Fly (2), Zarkandar (7/2), Rock On Ruby (9/2), Grandouet (8), Binocular (9), Cinders And Ashes (12), Countrywide Flame (16), Khyber Kim (50), Balder Succes (100)
Jerry Maguire: It's hardly a low profile horse i.e mildly dark!
Grasshopper: no opinion
Kauto: Will the ground help HF
JamesRB: ive been against zarkandar and to a lesser extent the fly all season. i think it's ended up turning out nicely for them.
betsmate: I'm not sure how much more money I'm going to waste on Binocular, but that price just keeps catching my eye.
bigfow: zarkander to grind it out
Grasshopper: ground will be perfect for HF
swedish chef: Dutched Zarkander and Grandouet ante post happy with that position
Paul: I've backed Grandouet, but I fear RoR is underated
edgt: Where is the pace?
JamesRB: pace will be key
betsmate: I think HF will show his class this year.
Grasshopper: ROR and Zark will have to pout it on
Jerry Maguire: The ground will be against a few in the Champion. Loads of mileage for e/w bets given its close to the dead 8 especially if like me you want to take on HF.
JamesRB: strong pace and i think zark wins
JamesRB: less pace i think fly wins
Grasshopper: put it on
WHITEHORSE: Rock on Ruby with blinkers on will go close
reet: Taken 9/2R OR today on strength of blinkers, otherwise ghaven't a clue.
Kauto: The more you look the more it could be set up perfect for HF
Kauto: No pace, ground
Paul: To be fair should be a good race if nothing else
edgt: Agree Kauto
JamesRB: i still wouldnt be surprised if grandouet ran a big race. given what happened with binocular in 2010.
Jerry Maguire: I'm on Binocular at 25/1 so just looking for cover shots e/w.
Grasshopper: I just hope he totally humiliates the oppsoition and wins 15L...that's all...not too much to ask, is it?
Jerry Maguire: Soft ground and a fast pace and HF might not get home
Grasshopper: That's The Fear speaking
betsmate: Good race, but let's keeping moving. No sign of Irish Stamp yet, anyone else want to talk about:
Glenfarclas Handicap Chase (A Cross Country Chase) Cl2 3m7f
Arabella Boy (5), Balthazar King (6), Outlaw Pete (6), Uncle Junior (8), Bostons Angel (10), Big Shu (14), Sizing Australia (14), Any Currency (16), Saddlers Storm (20), Shakervilz (20), Shalimar Fromentro (20), Sacree Tiepy (25), Triggerman (25), A New Story (33), Dashing George (33), Doctor Pat (33), Drawn N Drank (33), Midnight Haze (33), Northern Alliance (33), Pearse (33) , Victrix Gale (33), Another Jewel (40), Double Dizzy (40), Freneys Well (40), Gullible Gordon (40), Leac An Scail (40), Pentiffic (40), Wedger Pardy (40), Paco Jack (50), Passato (66), Clear Hills (100)
Fist: I have a plan for the Champion Hurdle because of the ground. Everyone knows I have backed Grandouet Writing will be on the wall by the 2nd last or just after I reckon we'll be down to a 2 horse race.....Dutch on both in running
reet: Pace will be OK, and the best horse will win on the day.
Jerry Maguire: No
betsmate:
Grasshopper: No opinion on X-Country, but would like to see Bostons Angel run well
Paul: Balthazar king all the way
JamesRB: won on balthazar king last year. think he'd do better on good ground. no idea really if i'm honest.
Jerry Maguire: BK wil go off fav. No other opinion
swedish chef: Arabella Boy's form looks strong - e/way will be surprised if out of the first 4
edgt: A New Story ew. He loves this place given how he ran last year after his fall in Nov or Dec previous
betsmate: Ok then, what about:
OLBG Mares´ Hurdle (Registered As The David Nicholson Mares´ Hurdle) Grade 2 Cl1 2m4f
Quevega (4/7), Une Artiste (11/2), Kentford Grey Lady (9), Swing Bowler (12), Tarla (16), Alasi (20), Shop DJ (20), Zuzka (20), Ma Filleule (22), She Ranks Me (25), Swincombe Flame (33), Kauto Shiny (40), Stone Light (40), Cloudy Spirit (50), Kaffie (50), Prima Porta (50), Maes Choice (66), Miss Milbourne (66), Shadow Eile (66), Sirene dAinay (66) , Lady Kathleen (150), Epee Celeste (300)
Grasshopper: Quevega can't get beat
Fist: Backing Triggerman always do and usually lay him off in running
Kauto: Move on
Paul: Quevega yawn
Fist: Quevega has a chance..........off winning by a hurdle
JamesRB: worse bets than une artiste e/w. course form. goes on soft.
swedish chef: again happy with Une Artiste e/way at 16/1 and I think she'll win
Jerry Maguire: Kentford Grey Lady e/w for multiples
edgt: Five in a row is no yawning matter Paul
WHITEHORSE: with g/s or heavy going Ma Filleule E/w
Grasshopper: every year there's on put up against her, and every year it's the same outcome....good thing
JamesRB: do all people who think quevega is a stone cold cert backing her?
bigfow: quevega and simonsig double
Fist: Real bad form slim cant have her
Grasshopper: depends how the first four races go!
JamesRB: because i can't bring myself to do it when she hasn't run for a year.
JamesRB: not at the prices
Grasshopper: same prep as last 2 years
Kauto: She will drift in morning
Paul: wont even have a go in this race
betsmate: Ok thanks:
Rewards4Racing Novices´ Handicap Chase (Listed Race) Cl1 2m4f110y
Colour Squadron (7), Carlito Brigante (8), The Druids Nephew (9), Attaglance (10), Shangani (10), Toner Doudairies (12), Vulcanite (16), White Star Line (16), Arthurs Pass (20), Bobowen (20), Forgotten Gold (20), Hazy Tom (20), Kapga de Cerisy (20), Kruzhlinin (20), Ohio Gold (20), Rouge Et Blanc (20), Arbeo (25), Ballypatrick (25), Eastlake (25), Howards Legacy (25) , Johns Spirit (25), Rajdhani Express (25), Rebel Rebellion (25), Tour dArgent (25), Chartreux (28), 33 Bar
JamesRB: obviously but i think its the case of being totally unaware if she's still her old self
Fist: Ruby said the other day she's in fantatic form but he hasn't rudden her the girls do
Grasshopper: Cartlito too well handicapped to ignore in this
treetangle: Plenty at the front end want better ground
reet: Should be some good prices on the shorties - morning of the race, the bookies will be vying hard for the punter's pounds
Kauto: Toner or Druids Nephew. Druids desperate to go left handed think he shites up
Comment From Del boy I'd be all over carlito brigante for this
Paul: Carlito Brigante for this, cant have colour squadron awful jumper
Marble: Can someone wake me up when we get to day three? Cheers.
Jerry Maguire: Does Shagani run here? Well handicapped horse.
Grasshopper: evening delboy
betsmate: Anything else for Day 1 before I move on?
Del boy: Good evening all. Looking forward to rubbishing people's opinions...
Fist: Saint Are will win a decent race one day...maybe this one of he runs
Grasshopper: charge on Martin
betsmate:
John Oaksey National Hunt Chase (Amateur Riders´ Novices´ Chase ) Cl2 4m
Back In Focus (4), Boston Bob (9/2), Rival DEstruval (6), Buddy Bolero (7), Merry King (9), Godsmejudge (10), Lyreen Legend (14), Vesper Bell (14), Hawkes Point (16), Tofino Bay (16), Real Milan (20), Sea Of Thunder (20), Tour des Champs (20), 33 Bar
Paul: Back in focus nailed on with this rain
swedish chef: Boston Bob if he runs
WHITEHORSE: Back In Focus banker bet of week
Fist: Back in Focus in a canter
JamesRB: boston bob goes rsa
Jerry Maguire: Tough race. Merry King token selection.
Kauto: Thats all BIF can do canter all day lomg
Del boy: Boston bob was the Irish banker last year, I know he has looked slow but hel hardly need to be quick for this, and surely they can't have been that wrong about him last year. He's the pick for me
bigfow: back in focus easy with godsmejudge ew
edgt: Given Derek o Connor was booked so early Rival D'Estruval must be thereabouts
betsmate: Lots of BIF fans then...
betsmate: moving on...
betsmate: Neptune Investment Management Novices´ Hurdle (Registered Baring Bingham Novices´ Hurdle) Grade 1 Cl1 2m5f
Pont Alexandre (7/4), The New One (9/2), Taquin Du Seuil (11/2), Rule The World (9), Champagne Fever (12), Chatterbox (12), Puffin Billy (12), Melodic Rendezvous (14), Two Rockers (20), Un Atout (20), Mozoltov (33), Cause of Causes (40), Minsk (40), Sizing Gold (40), Caid Du Berlais (50), Bonisland (66), I Shot The Sheriff (66), Ifandbutwhynot (66), Romeo Americo (66), Up To Something (66) , Sir Pitt (100), Ubak (100), Le Reve (150), Wake Your Dreams (150)
Grasshopper: PA all the way
bigfow: if not affected the new one
WHITEHORSE: PA go baby
Del boy: Ground is going to be key to the week really. Until I see it I won't believe any description.
Kauto: Where's the price gone on PA thought he was 9/4 last week
Comment From handsofstone taquin de seuil
treetangle: Not sure Irish form amounts to a great deal - Two Rockers potentially the best King has trained.
swedish chef: I'll chance an e/way on Chatterbox on the day
edgt: Rule The World a good price ew
JamesRB: good race. pont alexandre is the most hyped horse of the festival maybe alongside simonsig.
Del boy: Hard to back something at 7/4 in a race like this
JamesRB: i've done chatterbox e/w
Paul: I like what I've seen of Rule the world so e/w for me
Jerry Maguire: Seriously front end race - the 2nd and 3rd fav e/w is the bet depending on your preference.
Grasshopper: PA reminds me of Monsignor, they way he devoiursas the ground....stone-cold cert, imo
Fist: Jonjo's shoud win this solid ew bet at wrose
handsofstone: chatterbox underated. a real trier
bigfow: PA will be a better chaser
JamesRB: taquin de seuil appeals. can't have the new one after his loss to at fishers cross.
Jerry Maguire: For me Rule The World @ 9/1 e/w is the bet. PA is a seriously silly price.
betsmate: So we think Boston Bob goes for the:
RSA Chase (Grade 1) Cl1 3m110y
Boston Bob (7/2), Unioniste (4), Hadrians Approach (7), Goulanes (8), Back In Focus (12), Lord Windermere (14), Lyreen Legend (14), Super Duty (16), Houblon Des Obeaux (20), Sire Collonges (25), Terminal (33), Dedigout (40), Real Milan (40), Tofino Bay (40), Fourjacks (50), Argocat (66), Marito (66), Toner Doudairies (66), Theatrical Star (100), Vintage Star (100)
JamesRB: terrible renewal
WHITEHORSE: Unioniste for me
Grasshopper: All over Goulanes and feeling quietly confident.....poor edition of the race for me, and BB not convinced me yet
treetangle: Backed Unioniste but very disappointed with him last time
edgt: Lord Windemere hopefully. Put Churchtown back on the map.
JamesRB: likely no bet but seen few tips for houblon des obeaux e/w
swedish chef: Boston Bob to win
handsofstone: goulanes looks a real stayer, very impressive beating super duty
Fist: BG said in his Column he's sweet on his chances in this......do for me cos I haven't a clue to be honest
Jerry Maguire: Wide open here. I think Unioniste goes off FAV. Goulanes and Lord Windemere for me in a wide open heat.
Paul: I think Lord Windermere but I agree not the greatest renewal
bigfow: small bet on the day
Jerry Maguire: Goulanes is overpriced. He'll go off sub 5/1
betsmate: Anyone got a clue who might win:
Sportingbet Queen Mother Champion Chase Grade 1 Cl1 2m
Sprinter Sacre (2/7), Sizing Europe (6), Cue Card (8), Finians Rainbow (14), Mail De Bievre (16), Sanctuaire (20), Wishfull Thinking (22), Somersby (25), Realt Dubh (40), Tataniano (100)
Marble: Sizing Europe has an abundance of class andill run above expectations. Until Sprinter does him over and proves he is the next Arkle I will continue to beleive there is a race to be had. If I'm remebered for nothing else in life and on forums i just want it to be that I knew all along how good Sizing Europe was. Won't be 5/1 on the day if he runs. COME ON SIZING EUROPE!!!
JamesRB: where's kinkeel? he'd hack up.
Fist: I fancy one in the QMCC
betsmate: Copy and Paste prepared marble. I like it.
Jerry Maguire: Santuaire e/w a token selection
Grasshopper: Just hope to see a proper stellar performance from the fave
JamesRB: i don't think sizing would beat cue card over 2m marble. got a feeling best days are behind him.
Paul: Got my £20 quid on with Coral at evs ait back and enjoy
Marble: hhahaha
Grasshopper: sanctuaire is a MUTT, Slim!
WHITEHORSE: like sanctuaire too
swedish chef: No value left in the race imo - one to watch
handsofstone: like watching frankel, you just wanna see a good performance
bigfow: interesting to see hoe mail de brivere takes to the fences
Jerry Maguire: Grassy - look back over the years - The MUTTS love that hill
Grasshopper: He will fly them, and get them all at it
Paul: I fell for Sanctuaire earlier in the season and backed him been disappointing for me
Fist: Lotta people would rather risk it than investing in a bank be millions bet on him
Grasshopper: Can't have it Slim....a total coward
WHITEHORSE: sanctuaire aim at start of season was gold cup
Marble: I love the fact at 11 some people still go on like Sizing is short of top class
Grasshopper: right...off to cook some nice fillets.....back later
Jerry Maguire: Swedish Chef - You're nuts! It's bad e/w. there is loads of value!!!
Comment From TOUT SEUL Lord Windermere Good win chance greatew ground suits
reet: Sanctuuaire won't last home, but he's no dog.
Fist: Doesn't get up the hill surprised PN is bothered........
betsmate: Sorry Tout a bit slow by me there!
JamesRB: sanctuaire is just a mental. depends what is in his head on the day. case example being that race at kempton over xmas. was bizarre.
Fist: To say the least james
betsmate: Quick fire. One horse each please in the:
Coral Cup (A Handicap Hurdle) Grade 3 Cl1 2m5f
Wonderful Charm (7), Edeymi (8), Pendra (8), Cotton Mill (12), Master Of The Sea (12), Tennis Cap (12), Abbey Lane (14), Fiveforthree (14), Inish Island (14), Meister Eckhart (16), Mr Watson (16), Son Of Flicka (16), Black Thunder (20), Bondage (20), Cash And Go (20), Ericht (20), Ma Filleule (20), Prospect Wells (20), Sadlers Risk (20), Top of The Range (20) , Barbatos (25), Bonisland (25), Captain Sunshine (25), Cockney Trucker (25), Discoteca (25), Make Your Mark (25), Many Clouds (25), Medinas (25), Midnight Game (25), Tanerko Emery (25), Toner Doudairies (25), Un Beau Matin (25), Village Vic (25), Yesyoucan (25), 33 Bar
TOUT SEUL: SS good thing sails in
bigfow: cotton mill
WHITEHORSE: Cotton Mill as long as he jumps the last
Jerry Maguire: Inish Island the best of the Irish here
reet: cotton mill gors for County
edgt: Better than Tennis Cap Jerry?
treetangle: Pendra much too short - potential non-stayer, lacks experience and stable still struggling. Ground has come right for Master Of The Sea.
Comment From trudij captain sunshine if he runs
TOUT SEUL: Have being backing Edeymi for ages big top up NRNB. Classic job.
Jerry Maguire: Yes. Clever money around for it. WM always has one for this.
Fist: Cotton Mill won't win on the ground Saddlers Risk ran well last time
trudij: (each way for CS !!)
WHITEHORSE: Sorry time for dinner have a good festival everyone
betsmate: Ok how about:
Fred Winter Juvenile Handicap Hurdle Grade 3 Cl1 2m110y
Saphir Du Rheu (7), Ptit Zig (10), Bordoni (12), Fatcatinthehat (12), Blood Cotil (14), Kalmann (14), Megalypos (14), Another Sensation (16), Calculated Risk (16), Stocktons Wing (16), Totalize (16), Caid Du Berlais (20), Counsel (20), Hilali (20), Milord (20), Pistol (20), Ruacana (20), Sametegal (20), Viconte Du Noyer (20), Zamdy Man (20) , Flaxen Flare (22), Deepsand (25), Pacelli Road (25), Ibsen (28), Dovils Date, 33 Bar
swedish chef: The race I'm most looking forward to - Sametegal's last race working out particularly well and I have him and Counsel both well in.
JamesRB: nicholls/walsh bullish about Saphir Du Rheu
JamesRB: other than that.......i'm drawing a blank
Paul: Saphir Du Rheu if I have too
betsmate: Who looks forward to the Fred Winter SC?
Jerry Maguire: I seriously like Stocktons Wing here.
treetangle: Only banker is there will be money for half the field.
edgt: Stocktons Wing for me too
Fist: probably the wrong half
swedish chef: Nicholls doesn't realise Sametegal is the best chsnce of his 3
betsmate: Let's wrap up Day 2 then:
Weatherbys Champion Bumper (A Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race) Grade 1 Cl1 2m110y
Empiracle (7), Le Vent DAntan (7), Golantilla (8), Union Dues (8), Regal Encore (10), Sgt Reckless (10), Blackmail (12), Shield (16), Drumlee (20), Fascino Rustico (20), Briar Hill (25), Milo Man (25), Purple Bay (25), Sizing Tennessee (25), The Liquidator (25), Vieux Lion Rouge (25), Doctor Harper (28), Gallant Tipp (33), Hellorboston (40), Johnny Og (40) , Pure Science (40), The Clock Leary (40), Yes Sir Brian (40), Caledonia (50), Centasia (50), Im Fraam Govan (50), Our Pollyanna (50), Vinstar (50), Be Bop Boru (66), Mister Nibbles (66), Monkey Kingdom (66), Posiden Sea (66), Unowhatimeanharry (66), Kayf Moss (100), Lady Lectra (200)
Jerry Maguire: Opinions on Saphir Du Rheu? Can't go off 7/1
JamesRB: leaving this one well & truly alone
Marble: Welsh Harry was right about Red Sherlock, he 100 percent can't win
treetangle: Golantilla looked awful in gallop, recent money for Le Vent D'Antan
Jerry Maguire: Curve ball here. Blackmail to go off fav
handsofstone: le vant dantan connections reckon he is better than cheltenian
edgt: Tony Martin's fairly hacked in Naas bumper. One of his two
Paul: All I know about this race is Sheild would be about 66/1 if it wasn't trained by O'Brien
Fist: I'd be all over Tistory for this but he had a setback but working well now but NH hates this race Could be going to Aintree
betsmate: Patrick Mullins tipping up Union Dues as his Charity Bet if I remember?
Jerry Maguire: I can't think of 4 horses that will finish behind Shield - Useless
Marble: This preview has helped me clear my thoughts, i pretty much fancy feck all for the first two days.
TOUT SEUL: Big Shame for Michael O
trudij: very
betsmate: Ok any more for Day 2, or shall I move on?
Jerry Maguire: Patrick Mulllins already put up a N/R for the race so ignore him!
betsmate: Starting at the beginning
betsmate: William Hill Supreme Novices´ Hurdle Grade 1 Cl1 2m110y
My Tent Or Yours (15/8), Jezki (11/2), Un Atout (7), Melodic Rendezvous (9), Champagne Fever (10), Dodging Bullets (10), Puffin Billy (16), River Maigue (16), Pique Sous (22), Mozoltov (25), Rock Critic (25), Rule The World (25), Cause Of Causes (33), Cheltenian (33), Flying Cross (66), Ifandbutwhynot (66), I Shot The Sheriff (100), Fire King (500), Ostentation (500)
Grasshopper: Jolly wins
WHITEHORSE: DEPENDS ON GOING
Comment From reet hi guys
Grasshopper: evening reet
Fist: Very hard to oppose as long as he handles the course
JamesRB: i managed to quickly lob a few pennies on MTOY at 4/1 as he was crossing the line at newbury. wouldn't back at the prices now.
Fist: Hi Reet
betsmate: Nice price James.
Grasshopper: "Fist in Sane and Reasonable Comment Shocker!"
JamesRB: melodic e/w probably a solid play
reet: Who's 15/8?
Fist: lol
Paul: I'm sticking with Jezki
Grasshopper: Pretty-hand second-string anyway
WHITEHORSE: fancy champagne fever e/w
swedish chef: Happy with Dodging Bullets e/way at 14/1 - fav should win but have doubts - I'll be sure of him after this race
Comment From Jerry Maguire In
Grasshopper: evening JM
betsmate: Ok, I think MTOY will set the tone for the festival
betsmate: Let's keep going
betsmate: Racing Post Arkle Challenge Trophy Chase Grade 1 Cl1 2m
Simonsig (4/6), Overturn (5/2), Arvika Ligeonniere (8), Captain Conan (12), Benefficient (25), Aupcharlie (33), Baily Green (33), Majala (40), His Excellency (50), Marito (50), Tap Night (50), Viva Colonia (66)
JamesRB: clean round and simonsig wins on steel
WHITEHORSE: fav to win by a mile
JamesRB: soft ground big neg for overturn
Paul: Simonsig all the way
Grasshopper: I'll be place-laying Overturn - won't go a yard on the ground.....something about Simonsig just makes me hesitate
Comment From Kauto Cheltenian overpriced???
swedish chef: Happy again with Simonsig ante post but will have stake saver on Overturn
Kauto: Whoops bit late
Fist: I simply can't make up my mind but I backed Overturn at 14/1 ew because he looked the only danger 12 months ago and nothing has changes
JamesRB: chances they decide to go with capt conan in this after soft ground & dynaste going jewson?
JamesRB: he'd worry me more than overturn tbh
betsmate: What do we think of Arvika Ligeonniere ?
Grasshopper: Ground coming his way......not a convincing enough jumper for me
Fist: AL will fall over his own feet at the pace these horses will go at
swedish chef: Capt Conan good e/way if going for this
Kauto: Really weak race really
Grasshopper: i cant imagine the yard will switch CC from Jeeson myself
Fist: CC would be tailed off by halfway way tooslow
JamesRB: lets hope not
Jerry Maguire: Arkle - Take on Overturn with Bennificient and Bailey Green w/o Simonsig
Grasshopper: So we've established JM is Slim then
betsmate: I'm guessing so.
reet: take on Overturn with anything
betsmate: Ok then how about a handicap to bring us back down to earth?
JLT Specialty Handicap Chase Grade 3 Cl1 3m110y
Our Mick (6), Cantlow (8), Fruity ORooney (10), Alfie Sherrin (14), Opening Batsman (14), The Package (14), Loch Ba (16), Carlito Brigante (20), Cloudy Too (20), Duke Of Lucca (20), Merry King (20), Midnight Chase (20), Monkerty Tunkerty (20), No Secrets (20), Quantitativeeasing (20), Sire Collonges (20), Toner dOudairies (20), Chartreux (25), Knockara Beau (25), Nadiya De La Vega (25)
Comment From bigfow simonsig is something special
Jerry Maguire: Indeed - Simonsig wins. Use Bennificient and Bailey Green e/w in multiples on day 1
WHITEHORSE: opening batsman good e/w
JamesRB: don't think opening batsman goes for this
reet: I like Openeing batsman,but haven't a clue where he runs?
bigfow: like the look of duke of lucca for this
JamesRB: don't think he even goes to fez
Kauto: Does sire colognes run?
Paul: Fruity O'rooney owes me, so I'm giving him one more chance
swedish chef: I like Fruity O Rooney but hope to get bigger price on the day
Grasshopper: I look at this today, and the front two look pretty solid. I would state an outright prefernce for Cantlow, if it wasn't for the fact he's trained by an arsehole
Fist: Only worry about overturn is he doesn't really get home in high class company.....both Rock on Ruby and Grandouet beat him easily over hurdles and the same thing could happen again with Simonsig
treetangle: Concern about ground but Loch Ba looks on a decent mark - 25/1 for a while but steadily supported despite not being tipped at previews
Jerry Maguire: I have a mildly dark one here. The 25/1 for Nadiya de la Vega is a bet. You might get 20/1 5 places on the day. It's a bet. Unexposed at this trip and loves the course.
betsmate: Mildly dark?
Comment From edgt Having read the Monkerty story during the week would love to see him doing well
betsmate: Ok championship race time:
Stan James Champion Hurdle Challenge Trophy Grade 1 Cl1 2m110y
Hurricane Fly (2), Zarkandar (7/2), Rock On Ruby (9/2), Grandouet (8), Binocular (9), Cinders And Ashes (12), Countrywide Flame (16), Khyber Kim (50), Balder Succes (100)
Jerry Maguire: It's hardly a low profile horse i.e mildly dark!
Grasshopper: no opinion
Kauto: Will the ground help HF
JamesRB: ive been against zarkandar and to a lesser extent the fly all season. i think it's ended up turning out nicely for them.
betsmate: I'm not sure how much more money I'm going to waste on Binocular, but that price just keeps catching my eye.
bigfow: zarkander to grind it out
Grasshopper: ground will be perfect for HF
swedish chef: Dutched Zarkander and Grandouet ante post happy with that position
Paul: I've backed Grandouet, but I fear RoR is underated
edgt: Where is the pace?
JamesRB: pace will be key
betsmate: I think HF will show his class this year.
Grasshopper: ROR and Zark will have to pout it on
Jerry Maguire: The ground will be against a few in the Champion. Loads of mileage for e/w bets given its close to the dead 8 especially if like me you want to take on HF.
JamesRB: strong pace and i think zark wins
JamesRB: less pace i think fly wins
Grasshopper: put it on
WHITEHORSE: Rock on Ruby with blinkers on will go close
reet: Taken 9/2R OR today on strength of blinkers, otherwise ghaven't a clue.
Kauto: The more you look the more it could be set up perfect for HF
Kauto: No pace, ground
Paul: To be fair should be a good race if nothing else
edgt: Agree Kauto
JamesRB: i still wouldnt be surprised if grandouet ran a big race. given what happened with binocular in 2010.
Jerry Maguire: I'm on Binocular at 25/1 so just looking for cover shots e/w.
Grasshopper: I just hope he totally humiliates the oppsoition and wins 15L...that's all...not too much to ask, is it?
Jerry Maguire: Soft ground and a fast pace and HF might not get home
Grasshopper: That's The Fear speaking
betsmate: Good race, but let's keeping moving. No sign of Irish Stamp yet, anyone else want to talk about:
Glenfarclas Handicap Chase (A Cross Country Chase) Cl2 3m7f
Arabella Boy (5), Balthazar King (6), Outlaw Pete (6), Uncle Junior (8), Bostons Angel (10), Big Shu (14), Sizing Australia (14), Any Currency (16), Saddlers Storm (20), Shakervilz (20), Shalimar Fromentro (20), Sacree Tiepy (25), Triggerman (25), A New Story (33), Dashing George (33), Doctor Pat (33), Drawn N Drank (33), Midnight Haze (33), Northern Alliance (33), Pearse (33) , Victrix Gale (33), Another Jewel (40), Double Dizzy (40), Freneys Well (40), Gullible Gordon (40), Leac An Scail (40), Pentiffic (40), Wedger Pardy (40), Paco Jack (50), Passato (66), Clear Hills (100)
Fist: I have a plan for the Champion Hurdle because of the ground. Everyone knows I have backed Grandouet Writing will be on the wall by the 2nd last or just after I reckon we'll be down to a 2 horse race.....Dutch on both in running
reet: Pace will be OK, and the best horse will win on the day.
Jerry Maguire: No
betsmate:
Grasshopper: No opinion on X-Country, but would like to see Bostons Angel run well
Paul: Balthazar king all the way
JamesRB: won on balthazar king last year. think he'd do better on good ground. no idea really if i'm honest.
Jerry Maguire: BK wil go off fav. No other opinion
swedish chef: Arabella Boy's form looks strong - e/way will be surprised if out of the first 4
edgt: A New Story ew. He loves this place given how he ran last year after his fall in Nov or Dec previous
betsmate: Ok then, what about:
OLBG Mares´ Hurdle (Registered As The David Nicholson Mares´ Hurdle) Grade 2 Cl1 2m4f
Quevega (4/7), Une Artiste (11/2), Kentford Grey Lady (9), Swing Bowler (12), Tarla (16), Alasi (20), Shop DJ (20), Zuzka (20), Ma Filleule (22), She Ranks Me (25), Swincombe Flame (33), Kauto Shiny (40), Stone Light (40), Cloudy Spirit (50), Kaffie (50), Prima Porta (50), Maes Choice (66), Miss Milbourne (66), Shadow Eile (66), Sirene dAinay (66) , Lady Kathleen (150), Epee Celeste (300)
Grasshopper: Quevega can't get beat
Fist: Backing Triggerman always do and usually lay him off in running
Kauto: Move on
Paul: Quevega yawn
Fist: Quevega has a chance..........off winning by a hurdle
JamesRB: worse bets than une artiste e/w. course form. goes on soft.
swedish chef: again happy with Une Artiste e/way at 16/1 and I think she'll win
Jerry Maguire: Kentford Grey Lady e/w for multiples
edgt: Five in a row is no yawning matter Paul
WHITEHORSE: with g/s or heavy going Ma Filleule E/w
Grasshopper: every year there's on put up against her, and every year it's the same outcome....good thing
JamesRB: do all people who think quevega is a stone cold cert backing her?
bigfow: quevega and simonsig double
Fist: Real bad form slim cant have her
Grasshopper: depends how the first four races go!
JamesRB: because i can't bring myself to do it when she hasn't run for a year.
JamesRB: not at the prices
Grasshopper: same prep as last 2 years
Kauto: She will drift in morning
Paul: wont even have a go in this race
betsmate: Ok thanks:
Rewards4Racing Novices´ Handicap Chase (Listed Race) Cl1 2m4f110y
Colour Squadron (7), Carlito Brigante (8), The Druids Nephew (9), Attaglance (10), Shangani (10), Toner Doudairies (12), Vulcanite (16), White Star Line (16), Arthurs Pass (20), Bobowen (20), Forgotten Gold (20), Hazy Tom (20), Kapga de Cerisy (20), Kruzhlinin (20), Ohio Gold (20), Rouge Et Blanc (20), Arbeo (25), Ballypatrick (25), Eastlake (25), Howards Legacy (25) , Johns Spirit (25), Rajdhani Express (25), Rebel Rebellion (25), Tour dArgent (25), Chartreux (28), 33 Bar
JamesRB: obviously but i think its the case of being totally unaware if she's still her old self
Fist: Ruby said the other day she's in fantatic form but he hasn't rudden her the girls do
Grasshopper: Cartlito too well handicapped to ignore in this
treetangle: Plenty at the front end want better ground
reet: Should be some good prices on the shorties - morning of the race, the bookies will be vying hard for the punter's pounds
Kauto: Toner or Druids Nephew. Druids desperate to go left handed think he shites up
Comment From Del boy I'd be all over carlito brigante for this
Paul: Carlito Brigante for this, cant have colour squadron awful jumper
Marble: Can someone wake me up when we get to day three? Cheers.
Jerry Maguire: Does Shagani run here? Well handicapped horse.
Grasshopper: evening delboy
betsmate: Anything else for Day 1 before I move on?
Del boy: Good evening all. Looking forward to rubbishing people's opinions...
Fist: Saint Are will win a decent race one day...maybe this one of he runs
Grasshopper: charge on Martin
betsmate:
John Oaksey National Hunt Chase (Amateur Riders´ Novices´ Chase ) Cl2 4m
Back In Focus (4), Boston Bob (9/2), Rival DEstruval (6), Buddy Bolero (7), Merry King (9), Godsmejudge (10), Lyreen Legend (14), Vesper Bell (14), Hawkes Point (16), Tofino Bay (16), Real Milan (20), Sea Of Thunder (20), Tour des Champs (20), 33 Bar
Paul: Back in focus nailed on with this rain
swedish chef: Boston Bob if he runs
WHITEHORSE: Back In Focus banker bet of week
Fist: Back in Focus in a canter
JamesRB: boston bob goes rsa
Jerry Maguire: Tough race. Merry King token selection.
Kauto: Thats all BIF can do canter all day lomg
Del boy: Boston bob was the Irish banker last year, I know he has looked slow but hel hardly need to be quick for this, and surely they can't have been that wrong about him last year. He's the pick for me
bigfow: back in focus easy with godsmejudge ew
edgt: Given Derek o Connor was booked so early Rival D'Estruval must be thereabouts
betsmate: Lots of BIF fans then...
betsmate: moving on...
betsmate: Neptune Investment Management Novices´ Hurdle (Registered Baring Bingham Novices´ Hurdle) Grade 1 Cl1 2m5f
Pont Alexandre (7/4), The New One (9/2), Taquin Du Seuil (11/2), Rule The World (9), Champagne Fever (12), Chatterbox (12), Puffin Billy (12), Melodic Rendezvous (14), Two Rockers (20), Un Atout (20), Mozoltov (33), Cause of Causes (40), Minsk (40), Sizing Gold (40), Caid Du Berlais (50), Bonisland (66), I Shot The Sheriff (66), Ifandbutwhynot (66), Romeo Americo (66), Up To Something (66) , Sir Pitt (100), Ubak (100), Le Reve (150), Wake Your Dreams (150)
Grasshopper: PA all the way
bigfow: if not affected the new one
WHITEHORSE: PA go baby
Del boy: Ground is going to be key to the week really. Until I see it I won't believe any description.
Kauto: Where's the price gone on PA thought he was 9/4 last week
Comment From handsofstone taquin de seuil
treetangle: Not sure Irish form amounts to a great deal - Two Rockers potentially the best King has trained.
swedish chef: I'll chance an e/way on Chatterbox on the day
edgt: Rule The World a good price ew
JamesRB: good race. pont alexandre is the most hyped horse of the festival maybe alongside simonsig.
Del boy: Hard to back something at 7/4 in a race like this
JamesRB: i've done chatterbox e/w
Paul: I like what I've seen of Rule the world so e/w for me
Jerry Maguire: Seriously front end race - the 2nd and 3rd fav e/w is the bet depending on your preference.
Grasshopper: PA reminds me of Monsignor, they way he devoiursas the ground....stone-cold cert, imo
Fist: Jonjo's shoud win this solid ew bet at wrose
handsofstone: chatterbox underated. a real trier
bigfow: PA will be a better chaser
JamesRB: taquin de seuil appeals. can't have the new one after his loss to at fishers cross.
Jerry Maguire: For me Rule The World @ 9/1 e/w is the bet. PA is a seriously silly price.
betsmate: So we think Boston Bob goes for the:
RSA Chase (Grade 1) Cl1 3m110y
Boston Bob (7/2), Unioniste (4), Hadrians Approach (7), Goulanes (8), Back In Focus (12), Lord Windermere (14), Lyreen Legend (14), Super Duty (16), Houblon Des Obeaux (20), Sire Collonges (25), Terminal (33), Dedigout (40), Real Milan (40), Tofino Bay (40), Fourjacks (50), Argocat (66), Marito (66), Toner Doudairies (66), Theatrical Star (100), Vintage Star (100)
JamesRB: terrible renewal
WHITEHORSE: Unioniste for me
Grasshopper: All over Goulanes and feeling quietly confident.....poor edition of the race for me, and BB not convinced me yet
treetangle: Backed Unioniste but very disappointed with him last time
edgt: Lord Windemere hopefully. Put Churchtown back on the map.
JamesRB: likely no bet but seen few tips for houblon des obeaux e/w
swedish chef: Boston Bob to win
handsofstone: goulanes looks a real stayer, very impressive beating super duty
Fist: BG said in his Column he's sweet on his chances in this......do for me cos I haven't a clue to be honest
Jerry Maguire: Wide open here. I think Unioniste goes off FAV. Goulanes and Lord Windemere for me in a wide open heat.
Paul: I think Lord Windermere but I agree not the greatest renewal
bigfow: small bet on the day
Jerry Maguire: Goulanes is overpriced. He'll go off sub 5/1
betsmate: Anyone got a clue who might win:
Sportingbet Queen Mother Champion Chase Grade 1 Cl1 2m
Sprinter Sacre (2/7), Sizing Europe (6), Cue Card (8), Finians Rainbow (14), Mail De Bievre (16), Sanctuaire (20), Wishfull Thinking (22), Somersby (25), Realt Dubh (40), Tataniano (100)
Marble: Sizing Europe has an abundance of class andill run above expectations. Until Sprinter does him over and proves he is the next Arkle I will continue to beleive there is a race to be had. If I'm remebered for nothing else in life and on forums i just want it to be that I knew all along how good Sizing Europe was. Won't be 5/1 on the day if he runs. COME ON SIZING EUROPE!!!
JamesRB: where's kinkeel? he'd hack up.
Fist: I fancy one in the QMCC
betsmate: Copy and Paste prepared marble. I like it.
Jerry Maguire: Santuaire e/w a token selection
Grasshopper: Just hope to see a proper stellar performance from the fave
JamesRB: i don't think sizing would beat cue card over 2m marble. got a feeling best days are behind him.
Paul: Got my £20 quid on with Coral at evs ait back and enjoy
Marble: hhahaha
Grasshopper: sanctuaire is a MUTT, Slim!
WHITEHORSE: like sanctuaire too
swedish chef: No value left in the race imo - one to watch
handsofstone: like watching frankel, you just wanna see a good performance
bigfow: interesting to see hoe mail de brivere takes to the fences
Jerry Maguire: Grassy - look back over the years - The MUTTS love that hill
Grasshopper: He will fly them, and get them all at it
Paul: I fell for Sanctuaire earlier in the season and backed him been disappointing for me
Fist: Lotta people would rather risk it than investing in a bank be millions bet on him
Grasshopper: Can't have it Slim....a total coward
WHITEHORSE: sanctuaire aim at start of season was gold cup
Marble: I love the fact at 11 some people still go on like Sizing is short of top class
Grasshopper: right...off to cook some nice fillets.....back later
Jerry Maguire: Swedish Chef - You're nuts! It's bad e/w. there is loads of value!!!
Comment From TOUT SEUL Lord Windermere Good win chance greatew ground suits
reet: Sanctuuaire won't last home, but he's no dog.
Fist: Doesn't get up the hill surprised PN is bothered........
betsmate: Sorry Tout a bit slow by me there!
JamesRB: sanctuaire is just a mental. depends what is in his head on the day. case example being that race at kempton over xmas. was bizarre.
Fist: To say the least james
betsmate: Quick fire. One horse each please in the:
Coral Cup (A Handicap Hurdle) Grade 3 Cl1 2m5f
Wonderful Charm (7), Edeymi (8), Pendra (8), Cotton Mill (12), Master Of The Sea (12), Tennis Cap (12), Abbey Lane (14), Fiveforthree (14), Inish Island (14), Meister Eckhart (16), Mr Watson (16), Son Of Flicka (16), Black Thunder (20), Bondage (20), Cash And Go (20), Ericht (20), Ma Filleule (20), Prospect Wells (20), Sadlers Risk (20), Top of The Range (20) , Barbatos (25), Bonisland (25), Captain Sunshine (25), Cockney Trucker (25), Discoteca (25), Make Your Mark (25), Many Clouds (25), Medinas (25), Midnight Game (25), Tanerko Emery (25), Toner Doudairies (25), Un Beau Matin (25), Village Vic (25), Yesyoucan (25), 33 Bar
TOUT SEUL: SS good thing sails in
bigfow: cotton mill
WHITEHORSE: Cotton Mill as long as he jumps the last
Jerry Maguire: Inish Island the best of the Irish here
reet: cotton mill gors for County
edgt: Better than Tennis Cap Jerry?
treetangle: Pendra much too short - potential non-stayer, lacks experience and stable still struggling. Ground has come right for Master Of The Sea.
Comment From trudij captain sunshine if he runs
TOUT SEUL: Have being backing Edeymi for ages big top up NRNB. Classic job.
Jerry Maguire: Yes. Clever money around for it. WM always has one for this.
Fist: Cotton Mill won't win on the ground Saddlers Risk ran well last time
trudij: (each way for CS !!)
WHITEHORSE: Sorry time for dinner have a good festival everyone
betsmate: Ok how about:
Fred Winter Juvenile Handicap Hurdle Grade 3 Cl1 2m110y
Saphir Du Rheu (7), Ptit Zig (10), Bordoni (12), Fatcatinthehat (12), Blood Cotil (14), Kalmann (14), Megalypos (14), Another Sensation (16), Calculated Risk (16), Stocktons Wing (16), Totalize (16), Caid Du Berlais (20), Counsel (20), Hilali (20), Milord (20), Pistol (20), Ruacana (20), Sametegal (20), Viconte Du Noyer (20), Zamdy Man (20) , Flaxen Flare (22), Deepsand (25), Pacelli Road (25), Ibsen (28), Dovils Date, 33 Bar
swedish chef: The race I'm most looking forward to - Sametegal's last race working out particularly well and I have him and Counsel both well in.
JamesRB: nicholls/walsh bullish about Saphir Du Rheu
JamesRB: other than that.......i'm drawing a blank
Paul: Saphir Du Rheu if I have too
betsmate: Who looks forward to the Fred Winter SC?
Jerry Maguire: I seriously like Stocktons Wing here.
treetangle: Only banker is there will be money for half the field.
edgt: Stocktons Wing for me too
Fist: probably the wrong half
swedish chef: Nicholls doesn't realise Sametegal is the best chsnce of his 3
betsmate: Let's wrap up Day 2 then:
Weatherbys Champion Bumper (A Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race) Grade 1 Cl1 2m110y
Empiracle (7), Le Vent DAntan (7), Golantilla (8), Union Dues (8), Regal Encore (10), Sgt Reckless (10), Blackmail (12), Shield (16), Drumlee (20), Fascino Rustico (20), Briar Hill (25), Milo Man (25), Purple Bay (25), Sizing Tennessee (25), The Liquidator (25), Vieux Lion Rouge (25), Doctor Harper (28), Gallant Tipp (33), Hellorboston (40), Johnny Og (40) , Pure Science (40), The Clock Leary (40), Yes Sir Brian (40), Caledonia (50), Centasia (50), Im Fraam Govan (50), Our Pollyanna (50), Vinstar (50), Be Bop Boru (66), Mister Nibbles (66), Monkey Kingdom (66), Posiden Sea (66), Unowhatimeanharry (66), Kayf Moss (100), Lady Lectra (200)
Jerry Maguire: Opinions on Saphir Du Rheu? Can't go off 7/1
JamesRB: leaving this one well & truly alone
Marble: Welsh Harry was right about Red Sherlock, he 100 percent can't win
treetangle: Golantilla looked awful in gallop, recent money for Le Vent D'Antan
Jerry Maguire: Curve ball here. Blackmail to go off fav
handsofstone: le vant dantan connections reckon he is better than cheltenian
edgt: Tony Martin's fairly hacked in Naas bumper. One of his two
Paul: All I know about this race is Sheild would be about 66/1 if it wasn't trained by O'Brien
Fist: I'd be all over Tistory for this but he had a setback but working well now but NH hates this race Could be going to Aintree
betsmate: Patrick Mullins tipping up Union Dues as his Charity Bet if I remember?
Jerry Maguire: I can't think of 4 horses that will finish behind Shield - Useless
Marble: This preview has helped me clear my thoughts, i pretty much fancy feck all for the first two days.
TOUT SEUL: Big Shame for Michael O
trudij: very
betsmate: Ok any more for Day 2, or shall I move on?
Jerry Maguire: Patrick Mulllins already put up a N/R for the race so ignore him!
think its a telegraph fantasy stable type of thing