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TIMES ARTICLE

War blamed as 6,000 quit Territorial Army
Michael Smith



THE Territorial Army (TA) is suffering a manning crisis with more than 6,000 soldiers quitting in the past year because of the war in Iraq.
A £3m television advertising campaign has flopped, bringing in fewer than 600 recruits, and, at 35,000, the strength of the TA has dropped to its lowest point since it was founded in 1907. This is more than 6,000 below its required strength of 41,610.



Ministers admit the real figures are even worse — only 24,000 troops are fully trained and in practice only 12,000 TA soldiers are now available to back up the regular army on operations in Iraq, Afghanistan and the Balkans.

The Ministry of Defence has repeatedly denied that the TA was in trouble as a result of Iraq, but the figures released to parliament last week show the situation is far worse than previously claimed.

Don Touhig, a junior defence minister, told MPs in a series of answers to written questions that the numbers of soldiers leaving the TA had more than quadrupled in the immediate aftermath of the Iraq war in 2003.

Before the invasion the numbers leaving were steady at about 150 a month, keeping the strength of the TA relatively stable, but as soldiers started coming back from the war in October 2003 they began to leave in droves.

Over the next six months, the numbers leaving quadrupled to more than 600 a month and although the figure has dropped slightly since, it is still running at an average of 540, well over three times the pre-war figures.

The Iraq war also necessitated the first compulsory call-up of reservists from all three services since the Korean war in the 1950s with 12,580 mobilised and five reservists among the 97 killed so far.

The shortages come as General George Casey, the US commander in Iraq, expressed concern at the lack of troops to patrol the border between the British sector and Iran.

His comments follow the refusal of John Reid, the defence secretary, to allow military commanders to increase the number of British troops in southern Iraq by 25%.

Major-General Rob Fulton, the British commander in the south, asked for the 2,000 extra troops to mount a border surveillance operation, senior defence sources said.

But it was refused for what senior commanders believe were political reasons with Reid willing to sanction only the addition of fewer than 200 extra troops.

The government’s refusal to increase troop numbers amid an increase in insurgent attacks is in stark contrast to the American position.

Casey has been given another 23,000 troops in recent weeks, raising American troop numbers to 161,000, the highest level in Iraq at any one time since the war began.

British policy in southern Iraq is to use the new Iraqi army to patrol the border while UK troops are held in reserve. The Iraqis, however, have proved unable to prevent incursions by Iranian Revolutionary Guards, the sources said.

BRITISH SOLDIER SHOT DEAD IN AFGHANISTAN AMBUSH

A British soldier from the Nato-led peacekeeping mission in Afghanistan was killed and five were wounded yesterday in the northern city of Mazar-e-Sharif, writes Michael Smith.

The Ministry of Defence said the soldiers were travelling between two bases when they came under fire. Local police said the soldiers were shot at by four men with assault rifles. The dead man, who has not been named, was from the Royal Gloucestershire, Berkshire and Wiltshire Light Infantry. He is the fifth British serviceman to die in Afghanistan.

The base the men were travelling from belongs to a “hearts and minds” mission helping disarm militias and build democratic institutions. John Reid, the defence secretary, said: “My thoughts and sympathies are with the family and friends of the soldier tragically killed.”
 
In light of the above article.

My sources tell me that there a far more TA deployed in IRAQ and the other place than the MOD are owning up to.

It is not fair that unprepared Non Pros are shunted off when there are Pros sitting on their backsides watching.
 
There is a whole lot of difference in Serving your country as a regular soldier,then having to be available as a member of the colours for a further period-ánd-a weekend Serviceman or Woman who signs up as a TA Member and contracts to complete a certain amount of weekends to qualify for proper payment.The TA are usually used in a National Emergency situation.

There are more thatn enough "Regular Servicemen and Women who should be available and have taken the queens shilling who could be deployed,well before using the cannon fodder that are the TA.

I notice that no Military Bands have been disbanded,so that they may do the job that they are suppose to do in time of War.
 
Both the MofML & QR,s contain imformation on OBEYING ORDERS,why not read them,old sport. :)
 
Originally posted by Colin Phillips@Oct 30 2005, 01:09 PM
.............I thought soldiering was all about OBEYING ORDERS!!
Obeying orders
Looking tough
Not having a thought in your own mind
Latent homosexuality
Gun fondling

Not necessarily in that order.
 
Goths: wearing a uniform, trying to look tough, having the same thoughts as each other, fantasising about death/skulls/killing/dying, fondling resin figures of skulls with daggers stuck in them, wearing skull rings, skull belt buckles, loving skulls, skulls, more skulls, conforming...




... you should sign up now, Euronymous, the Army sounds exactly like your kinda thing. You could then have some real skulls to play with, instead of those over-priced resin ones from Goth shops.
 
Originally posted by krizon@Oct 30 2005, 10:05 PM
Goths: wearing a uniform, trying to look tough, having the same thoughts as each other, fantasising about death/skulls/killing/dying, fondling resin figures of skulls with daggers stuck in them, wearing skull rings, skull belt buckles, loving skulls, skulls, more skulls, conforming...




... you should sign up now, Euronymous, the Army sounds exactly like your kinda thing. You could then have some real skulls to play with, instead of those over-priced resin ones from Goth shops.
:lol: Nice try but your way off. Goths have this dark image, and like to dress like tossers but the music they listen to is just commercial and safe stuff like Marilyn Manson and Cradle Of Filth.
I on the other hand listen to underground tres extreme acts that most goths have never heard of, and i dress normally and have short hair. It`s the music that matters to me...not the image.
 
"Dress normally and have short hair"? Oh, dear, that's another mental image shot... I have long been imagining you sitting in your all-black get-up, wearing multi-strapped thigh boots with metal heels and chrome-horned toes, busily typing away by the light of a few flickering black candles, while your pet bats peered playfully over your shoulder. Dammit, I thought we had so much in common...
 
Originally posted by krizon@Oct 31 2005, 03:33 AM
I have long been imagining you sitting in your all-black get-up, wearing multi-strapped thigh boots with metal heels and chrome-horned toes, busily typing away by the light of a few flickering black candles
Yeah, i`ve often thought if we had a forum meet-up at the festival that some of you would expect to look like this
infernus_01.jpg


The truth is a little more boring. I wonder if Infernus..for it is he...would get in the royal enclosure?
 
Going by some of the well-snockered, blingy slappers and their spivvy companions, bawling into their mobile phones, who did last year, Euronymous, I don't see why he shouldn't. And those spikes will come in useful for holding one's smoked salmon sandwiches, while remaining hands-free for the race card.
 
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