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would disagree strongly that his best performance was at a mile..using OHR's..his Coventry form puts him 6 lengths in front of a 108 [as then} OHR horse Xtension- gives him about a OHR of 126...in the guineas he was only 1 length in front of that horse and 0.5 length behind DT who has a OHR of 117..which makes CC's guineas OHR as 116

so at a mile his OHR is 10lbs below his best...so I can't see where his run in the guineas is better than the Coventry..in fact a whole world apart..to better his Coventry win in the guineas he needed to be winning the guineas by 3 or 4 lengths..so by losing by 2 he is 5 or 6 lengths shy of his best.

Clive..i'm not knocking Hannon..the simple fact is no wants a horse to be a sprinter..unless they have also won at a mile...so they will do owt to stretch them out..the problem is if you do that and it pays off..fine..Paco example...but if you try to stetch a sprinter and it fails at a mile..and you keep going at it...then its possible it won't win at shorter due to the training regime given to stretch it..when they dropped Paco Boy back to 6 last year you saw what happens when they try that.

If you stretch to a mile and the horse fails to stay..as is obvious to me on CC's greenham run..i would want him back at 6f and get something out of the horse..obviously i don't need to get a horse's stud value up ..so no pressure as there is on such as Hannon..but in perfect world..find the best trip and win some fookin races rather than getting a horse used to being beaten over a trip he is struggling at.

Hannon has to do what is best for stud..thats his job..unfortunately thats not always putting a horse over correct trip..ie 6f in this case

<blockquote data-quote="EC1" data-source="post: 2246630" data-attributes="member: 65360">would disagree strongly that his best performance was at a mile..using OHR&#039;s..his Coventry form puts him 6 lengths in front of a 108 [as then} OHR horse Xtension- gives him about a OHR of 126...in the guineas he was only 1 length in front of that horse and 0.5 length behind DT who has a OHR of 117..which makes CC&#039;s guineas OHR as 116&nbsp;so at a mile his OHR is 10lbs below his best...so I can&#039;t see where his run in the guineas is better than the Coventry..in fact a whole world apart..to better his Coventry win in the guineas he needed to be winning the guineas by 3 or 4 lengths..so by losing by 2 he is 5 or 6 lengths shy of his best.&nbsp;Clive..i&#039;m not knocking Hannon..the simple fact is no wants a horse to be a sprinter..unless they have also won at a mile...so they will do owt to stretch them out..the problem is if you do that and it pays off..fine..Paco example...but if you try to stetch a sprinter and it fails at a mile..and you keep going at it...then its possible it won&#039;t win at shorter due to the training regime given to stretch it..when they dropped Paco Boy back to 6 last year you saw what happens when they try that.&nbsp;If you stretch to a mile and the horse fails to stay..as is obvious to me on CC&#039;s greenham run..i would want him back at 6f and get something out of the horse..obviously i don&#039;t need to get a horse&#039;s stud value up ..so no pressure as there is on such as Hannon..but in perfect world..find the best trip and win some fookin races rather than getting a horse used to being beaten over a trip he is struggling at.&nbsp;Hannon has to do what is best for stud..thats his job..unfortunately thats not always putting a horse over correct trip..ie 6f in this case</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EC1, post: 2246630, member: 65360"] would disagree strongly that his best performance was at a mile..using [B]OHR's[/B]..his Coventry form puts him 6 lengths in front of a 108 [as then} OHR horse Xtension- gives him about a OHR of [B]126[/B]...in the guineas he was only 1 length in front of that horse and 0.5 length behind DT who has a OHR of 117..which makes CC's guineas OHR as [B]116[/B] so at a mile his OHR is [B]10lbs[/B] below his best...so I can't see where his run in the guineas is better than the Coventry..in fact a whole world apart..to better his Coventry win in the guineas he needed to be winning the guineas by 3 or 4 lengths..so by losing by 2 he is 5 or 6 lengths shy of his best. Clive..i'm not knocking Hannon..the simple fact is no wants a horse to be a sprinter..unless they have also won at a mile...so they will do owt to stretch them out..the problem is if you do that and it pays off..fine..Paco example...but if you try to stetch a sprinter and it fails at a mile..and you keep going at it...then its possible it won't win at shorter due to the training regime given to stretch it..when they dropped Paco Boy back to 6 last year you saw what happens when they try that. If you stretch to a mile and the horse fails to stay..as is obvious to me on CC's greenham run..i would want him back at 6f and get something out of the horse..obviously i don't need to get a horse's stud value up ..so no pressure as there is on such as Hannon..but in perfect world..find the best trip and win some fookin races rather than getting a horse used to being beaten over a trip he is struggling at. Hannon has to do what is best for stud..thats his job..unfortunately thats not always putting a horse over correct trip..ie 6f in this case [/QUOTE]

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