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today ..yes of course...but that doesn't mean its the same performance..ie slotting handicapper in to guineas and saying it would finish in same place as FM.....you need to see both horses at their best in true run races to know what their best speed figure is

I know what you are saying - that taken in isolation.. todays races on paper.. re a speed figure ..would show both horses as being the same..but when each horse has appeared in a true run race their real ability will be shown by a timefigure that is representaive of how fast they can run

you can't judge a horse on one run though..even with traditional handicapping you can't...lets say a horse rated 70 runs in a slow run race and gets near a 100 horse..that wouldn't representartve of the horse because the only reason he got close was because the 100 horse has only sprinted 2 furlongs at the end of the race and has not been able shown his full superiority in that short a burst...but on paper the 70 horse was only 3 lengths behind ..then purely on that one run it looks like a 90 odd horse..when it isn't...so in isolation one rating will be misleading for one reason or another

<blockquote data-quote="EC1" data-source="post: 2246759" data-attributes="member: 65360">today ..yes of course...but that doesn&#039;t mean its the same performance..ie slotting handicapper in to guineas and saying it would finish in same place as FM.....you need to see both horses at their best in true run races to know what their best speed figure is&nbsp;I know what you are saying - that taken in isolation.. todays races on paper.. re a speed figure ..would show both horses as being the same..but when each horse has appeared in a true run race their real ability will be shown by a timefigure that is representaive of how fast they can run&nbsp;you can&#039;t judge a horse on one run though..even with traditional handicapping you can&#039;t...lets say a horse rated 70 runs in a slow run race and gets near a 100 horse..that wouldn&#039;t representartve of the horse because the only reason he got close was because the 100 horse has only sprinted 2 furlongs at the end of the race and has not been able shown his full superiority in that short a burst...but on paper the 70 horse was only 3 lengths behind ..then purely on that one run it looks like a 90 odd horse..when it isn&#039;t...so in isolation one rating will be misleading for one reason or another</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EC1, post: 2246759, member: 65360"] today ..yes of course...but that doesn't mean its the same performance..ie slotting handicapper in to guineas and saying it would finish in same place as FM.....you need to see both horses at their best in true run races to know what their best speed figure is I know what you are saying - that taken in isolation.. todays races on paper.. re a speed figure ..would show both horses as being the same..but when each horse has appeared in a true run race their real ability will be shown by a timefigure that is representaive of how fast they can run you can't judge a horse on one run though..even with traditional handicapping you can't...lets say a horse rated 70 runs in a slow run race and gets near a 100 horse..that wouldn't representartve of the horse because the only reason he got close was because the 100 horse has only sprinted 2 furlongs at the end of the race and has not been able shown his full superiority in that short a burst...but on paper the 70 horse was only 3 lengths behind ..then purely on that one run it looks like a 90 odd horse..when it isn't...so in isolation one rating will be misleading for one reason or another [/QUOTE]

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