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checked spreadsheet..I must have used 1000g + 2000g when comparing..I've listed times but not the horses..there used to be an 8f handicap race on 1000 day

I haven't just used this meeting when i did all my calcs obviously..I did lots of class comparisons and the concensus is that 2 seconds is the difference between 0-90 handicaps and G1 races..average fields but truly run.

I've checked the cards for these?:

119 Makfi (OR: 122)
121 Sea The Stars (OR: 121)
110 Henrythenavigator (OR: 121)
127 Cockney Rebel (OR: 120)
118 George Washington (OR: 124)
118 Footstepsinthesand (OR: 118)

when taking into account the other races

Makfi - OD's race 6 slow = 113..confirmed by two other races
Sea The Stars - Photographic 6 slow = 115..confirmed 2 other races
HenryThe Navigator - Duntulm 2 fast = 112..confirmed by most of races
Cockney Rebel - Aqmaar 6 slow = 121...most races on card confirm
George Washington - Dunelight - 11 slow..109..confirmed by 2 other races
Footstepinthesand - Notnowcato - 4 slow...114..confirmed by 2 other races

these are all too low aren't they?..the reason for that is because you can't use two different racetimes and treat them like one big race

You have to use a different mindset to just alloting 12 or 14 lb a second for two separate events..go back to the sectionals..the 2 second superiority is mainly being asserted in the last 4 furlongs..that is the bit you need to assess..and its more than 12/14 per second

Like I said..you won't get many horses breaking 118 .on your speed figures if you use weight adjusting methods and 12/14 lb per second based off OHR ratings..because there aren't many G1's that run 2.5+ seconds faster per mile than a 0-90.

Those that can run near or faster than the 2.5 seconds..like Cockney Rebel..are a little bit higher rated than 121 I think..CC has run faster than the 2.5 because the 0-90 race he ran against was faster than class.

CC is a very fast winner..imo

I don't know how others here calculate their figures..coz its a big secret like ..but I know what I've learned through looking at lots of past races.

I've laid my views out now Gareth..I question the whole 12/14 lb per second thing..and I've clearly shown why.

I'll let someone else come on here now and show how they overcome this..I know how I do it.

<blockquote data-quote="EC1" data-source="post: 2246808" data-attributes="member: 65360">checked spreadsheet..I must have used 1000g + 2000g when comparing..I&#039;ve listed times but not the horses..there used to be an 8f handicap race on 1000 day&nbsp;I haven&#039;t just used this meeting when i did all my calcs obviously..I did lots of class comparisons and the concensus is that 2 seconds is the difference between 0-90 handicaps&nbsp; and G1 races..average fields but truly run.&nbsp;I&#039;ve checked the cards for these?:&nbsp;&nbsp;119 Makfi (OR: 122)121 Sea The Stars (OR: 121)110 Henrythenavigator (OR: 121)127 Cockney Rebel (OR: 120)118 George Washington (OR: 124)118 Footstepsinthesand (OR: 118)when taking into account the other races&nbsp;Makfi - OD&#039;s race 6 slow = 113..confirmed by two other racesSea The Stars - Photographic 6 slow = 115..confirmed 2 other racesHenryThe Navigator - Duntulm 2 fast = 112..confirmed by most of racesCockney Rebel - Aqmaar 6 slow = 121...most races on card confirmGeorge Washington - Dunelight - 11 slow..109..confirmed by 2 other racesFootstepinthesand - Notnowcato - 4 slow...114..confirmed by 2 other races&nbsp;these are all too low aren&#039;t they?..the reason for that is because you can&#039;t use two different racetimes and treat them like one big race&nbsp;You have to use a different mindset to just alloting 12 or 14 lb a second for two separate events..go back to the sectionals..the 2 second superiority is mainly being asserted in the last 4 furlongs..that is the bit you need to assess..and its more than 12/14 per second&nbsp;Like I said..you won&#039;t get many horses breaking 118 .on your speed figures if you use weight adjusting methods and 12/14 lb per second based off OHR ratings..because there aren&#039;t many G1&#039;s that run 2.5+ seconds faster per mile than a 0-90.&nbsp;Those that can run near or faster than the 2.5 seconds..like Cockney Rebel..are a little bit higher rated than 121 I think..CC has run faster than the 2.5 because the 0-90 race he ran against was faster than class.&nbsp;CC is a very fast winner..imo&nbsp;I don&#039;t know how others here calculate their figures..coz its a big secret like <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />..but I know what I&#039;ve learned through looking at lots of past races.&nbsp;I&#039;ve laid my views out now Gareth..I question the whole 12/14 lb per second thing..and I&#039;ve clearly shown why.&nbsp;I&#039;ll let someone else come on here now and show how they overcome this..I know how I do it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EC1, post: 2246808, member: 65360"] checked spreadsheet..I must have used 1000g + 2000g when comparing..I've listed times but not the horses..there used to be an 8f handicap race on 1000 day I haven't just used this meeting when i did all my calcs obviously..I did lots of class comparisons and the concensus is that 2 seconds is the difference between 0-90 handicaps and G1 races..average fields but truly run. I've checked the cards for these?: 119 Makfi (OR: 122) 121 Sea The Stars (OR: 121) 110 Henrythenavigator (OR: 121) 127 Cockney Rebel (OR: 120) 118 George Washington (OR: 124) 118 Footstepsinthesand (OR: 118) when taking into account the other races Makfi - OD's race 6 slow = [B]113[/B]..confirmed by two other races Sea The Stars - Photographic 6 slow = [B]115..[/B]confirmed 2 other races HenryThe Navigator - Duntulm 2 fast = [B]112..[/B]confirmed by most of races Cockney Rebel - Aqmaar 6 slow = [B]121...[/B]most races on card confirm George Washington - Dunelight - 11 slow..[B]109[/B]..confirmed by 2 other races Footstepinthesand - Notnowcato - 4 slow...[B]114[/B]..confirmed by 2 other races these are all too low aren't they?..the reason for that is because you can't use two different racetimes and treat them like one big race You have to use a different mindset to just alloting 12 or 14 lb a second for two separate events..go back to the sectionals..the 2 second superiority is mainly being asserted in the last 4 furlongs..that is the bit you need to assess..and its more than 12/14 per second Like I said..you won't get many horses breaking [B]118[/B] .on your speed figures if you use weight adjusting methods and 12/14 lb per second based off OHR ratings..because there aren't many G1's that run 2.5+ seconds faster per mile than a 0-90. Those that can run near or faster than the 2.5 seconds..like Cockney Rebel..are a little bit higher rated than 121 I think..CC has run faster than the 2.5 because the 0-90 race he ran against was faster than class. CC is a very fast winner..imo I don't know how others here calculate their figures..coz its a big secret like :)..but I know what I've learned through looking at lots of past races. I've laid my views out now Gareth..I question the whole 12/14 lb per second thing..and I've clearly shown why. I'll let someone else come on here now and show how they overcome this..I know how I do it. [/QUOTE]

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