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Altior looks banker material - but not for me at 2/7. Who do we think can run into the minor places? Is the Irish form better than the UK form? Do we look at what de Bromhead is sending over?

For me, I'm siding with a Ordinary World, whose best form is good/good-soft ground. At 40/1, I'm willing to take a small chance.
 
Cloudy Dream will reverse placings with Forest Bihan and that form stacks up.

It's also worth mentioning that Bet 365 are best price for just about everything and are 1/4 the odds. Any e/w snaffling should be conducted through them.
 
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suspect around 90% of my bets this week will be with 365. superb firm and i'll be gutted if they ever restrict my account heavily.
 
TheBear said:
Cloudy Dream will reverse placings with Forest Bihan and that form stacks up.

It's also worth mentioning that Bet 365 are best price for just about everything and are 1/4 the odds. Any e/w snaffling should be conducted through them.
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Hi The Bear. I remember we were discussing the Arkle about a month ago on the 'Where is the festival value' thread and Cloudy Dream/Forest Bihan came up. This is what I posted on that thread back then:

"FWIW After my research I came down on Forest Bihan. Now rated OR 149 and his Only defeat over fences was to Waiting patiently, who has since franked the form (Granted over further). FB clearly appreciates the better ground, has won on an undulating track (Towcester) and won going left handed 3 times. Arkle is his only entry and I think he's a certain runner here. Has had 4 runs runs over fences now, gaining valuable experience and improving with each run imo. LTO he was getting 3lbs from cloudy dream, blundered the 3rd last and still got up to win by 1.5 L - so I believe he was value for that win and then some (Without the blunder he would have won further imo). Cloudy dream is a general 16/1 shot, while Forest Bihan 25/1 E/W 3 places 1/4 the odds with Bet365 NRNB. In terms of 'Value' in the Arkle, this is where I believe it is at. 10/1 E/W 3 places 1/5 the odds with Sportsbook in the W/O Altior market also appeals."

While FB is still 25/1 now (because it's ended up that there are 8+ runners) he's best price 6/1 in the without Market - similar to cloudy dream. But as above, I don't think Cloudy Dream will reverse the placings with him, as I think FB was more than value for his victory over him the last day. Considering I have FB @ 10/1 in the W/O market in quite a few each way multiples, I suppose I have to consider the possibility I'm showing some bias here. Will be interesting to see tomorrow.
 
That's rather compelling DH. I'm going to have to row in again now. Before I do, have you got the Queen Mum figured out as well? I've paid Cloudy Dream with Special Tiara from that race.
 
TheBear said:
That's rather compelling DH. I'm going to have to row in again now. Before I do, have you got the Queen Mum figured out as well? I've paid Cloudy Dream with Special Tiara from that race.
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Not really a strong opinion on the QMCC Bear, I've done God's Own each way in one multiple with FB, but he is more a process of elimination/value selection.
 
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