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Not sure, think Simon over egged it being a sort of pace collapse which made winner looked slightly favoured. I thought it was an impressive burst from 3 out, side on, visually impressive. I think this is a really good horse, could be special. I don't usually get that excited by Derby winners as it so so early in their careers when they run in the Derby. I'd put this one up as an above average, by some way, Derby winner. I am now using your eye judgement view, you usually say, go by what you see, whereas I would say go by the maths. I don't do the maths now so much, I try to go by what I see too. As a 2 year old this one so reminded me of El Gran Senor.

[QUOTE="EC21, post: 2679670, member: 66623"] Not sure, think Simon over egged it being a sort of pace collapse which made winner looked slightly favoured. I thought it was an impressive burst from 3 out, side on, visually impressive. I think this is a really good horse, could be special. I don't usually get that excited by Derby winners as it so so early in their careers when they run in the Derby. I'd put this one up as an above average, by some way, Derby winner. I am now using your eye judgement view, you usually say, go by what you see, whereas I would say go by the maths. I don't do the maths now so much, I try to go by what I see too. As a 2 year old this one so reminded me of El Gran Senor. [/QUOTE]

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