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It's not the fact they were stablemates I have a problem with, more the assertion both were 20lbs superior to any horse we've ever seen.

Re the Nicholls trio I do think Denman and MM have been overrated. Voy Por Ustedes was given a high rating for being the best of a weak bunch, and then when MM beat him 19l the handicapper had little choice. Denman is overrated for me because KS was below his best in the GC. Only my opinion though - I'm pretty sure the handicapper knows more about racing than me.

To answer your question, if KS beat Denman 30l you would have to rate them accordingly, though the margin would make it likely the latter had run below his best.

[QUOTE="BennyB, post: 2368467, member: 65563"] It's not the fact they were stablemates I have a problem with, more the assertion both were 20lbs superior to any horse we've ever seen. Re the Nicholls trio I do think Denman and MM have been overrated. Voy Por Ustedes was given a high rating for being the best of a weak bunch, and then when MM beat him 19l the handicapper had little choice. Denman is overrated for me because KS was below his best in the GC. Only my opinion though - I'm pretty sure the handicapper knows more about racing than me. To answer your question, if KS beat Denman 30l you would have to rate them accordingly, though the margin would make it likely the latter had run below his best. [/QUOTE]

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