The Lincoln

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I sort of hate myself for doing this but I decided to fill the void between Cheltenham and Aintree by taking a really good look at the Lincoln, and after waiting for the decs and the draw I was more than happy with my original selection.

The last time “king of the sprinters”; Michael Dods had a runner in the Lincoln was 2011, despite the race being only an hour down the A1M. He won it that year with Sweet Lightning sat 16/1.

This year he saddles Brunch, who’s just been given an ideal mid-to-high draw in stall 15.

He was forced to start his 3yo campaign off in the lowly waters of a C5 AW Novice due to a rating of only 76 but having won that comfortably and receiving glowing post race comments from his trainer, he was upped to handicap company off a revised 83. He is a horse who takes a while to get rolling but looks good when he hits full flow so the constant interference in that Haydock race would not have helped at all and he wasn’t given a hard time thereafter.

He proved that run could be ignored by getting up close home dropped back to 7f, off another 2lb increase, at York. Putting in easily his best work at the finish.

Then stepped back up to a mile, again on the Knavesmire, he defied another 6lb increase, winning off 91 (yet again keeping on well), with one of Saturday’s favourites (Eastern World) 3 lengths back in 5th.

He was then narrowly touched off by Johan at Ayr, from a mark of 97 when sent off 10/3 favourite. He’d have won in another stride and re-opposes off 7lb better terms against what is now the race's top weight.

His penultimate run last season was arguably his best as, as a by now 100 rated 3 year old he went down only to two 108 & 109 rated older horses in a 7f listed contest at Redcar. His finishing effort suggested he’d have been even closer over the extra furlong of Saturday’s race. That run alone would warrant a mark of c. 105 but being a listed race, his mark of 100 was left untouched.

It’s easy to forgive his final run of the season as it was on atrocious ground at Newmarket, again in a listed contest and came at the end of a long season. The fact that he went off shorter that day than horses rated 114, 110, 107 and 103 says a lot. He missed the break and thereafter, never really got into a race in which it paid to be prominent and could never pick up in the heavy ground but wasn’t given a hard time once it was clear he wasn’t going to trouble the judge.

He’s just the type his trainer does well with, albeit normally over slightly shorter and if he’s ready to race, which I expect him to be, I reckon he’ll be another progressive 4 year old winner of the race that goes on to better things.

I've just had as much as Hills will let me at the boosted odds of 17.52/1 and some at the regular 16/1, 5 places and while I know there'll likely be 6 or 7 places on offer come Saturday I can't see him being that big. He's currently 11/1 with the sponsors and 12 with Betfair/Paddy and Skybet
 
I sort of hate myself for doing this but I decided to fill the void between Cheltenham and Aintree by taking a really good look at the Lincoln,

Nothing wrong with wanting to better yourself!

Welcome to the elite code :ninja:
 
Nice to see some detail; on what looks a cracking flat race.
Good luck with Brunch, Lee, though the round track at Ayr wouldn't be near the Lincoln as a test,imo. I'v bet his conquerer there, Johan @ 20/1 (5 places) with Betfair, whose trainer loves to win the race & has booked a capable replacement for the Oz-bound.Marquand. Though he's top weight, the ground should favour such horses, and I'm guessing his recent gelding won't have done him any harm, either.
 
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Thanks Reet and best of luck with Johan - Haggas has a 100% strike rate in the past two weeks - but I hope you’re right with this being more of a test than Ayr.

Brunch has raced as though a mile will be his minimum and his dam; Granola was out of Common Knowledge, an unraced Rainbow Quest mare who herself was out of the Shirley Heights mare; Highbrow I who spent her 3 year old days contesting races such as the 14f Park Hill stakes.

The stamina is aplenty on the dam side so fingers crossed Brunch has inherited some of his damsire’s mile ability too.
 
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Looks a cracking renewal. Haven’t had a proper look yet, but I’d be looking to take on the favs as there are plenty of unexposed types in this. Brentford hope would be a big player if he gets away with the going. Agree regarding brunch. Ferry grove and the owen burrows horse both look value prices at the moment... I’ll get stuck in to it properly tomorrow
 
It's a hard race to fathom.whats fit,what's not so fit. Who's trying,who's trying to get their mark reduced.
Does stats matter.i think the last ten winners were drawn upwards of stall9.
Some fancied horses drawn low.
King ottokar 4,brentford's hope 3,river nymph 2,kynren 7.
Brunch does look to have a good chance Wilson.
Haqeeqy with his good claimer on looks decent but I cant force myself to back short prices I just have to go for a big price.
You could back any of the fancied ones and still not get the winner.
Unfortunately for me I did HORTZADAR only for it to get stall 1.

So I've added the stats and come up with DASHING ROGER 40/1 cosgrave rides and it had a warm up over 10f on the a/w.
Good luck.
 
Thanks Reet and best of luck with Johan - Haggas has a 100% strike rate in the past two weeks - but I hope you’re right with this being more of a test than Ayr.

Brunch has raced as though a mile will be his minimum and his dam; Granola was out of Common Knowledge, an unraced Rainbow Quest mare who herself was out of the Shirley Heights mare; Highbrow I who spent her 3 year old days contesting races such as the 14f Park Hill stakes.

The stamina is aplenty on the dam side so fingers crossed Brunch has inherited some of his sire’s mile ability too.
Had another look (his sire was a sprinter btw, which I'm sure you're aware of) and, though he's won twice over 1m neither was the test of the Lincoln. He was also held up when 2nd to Johan at Ayr - imo, another sign of doubtful stamina.
Johan, conversely, has shown no such frailties and looks likely to be in the van. However, it's a peach of a race to start the season, and may the best horse win - whatever it is.
 
It's a hard race to fathom.whats fit,what's not so fit. Who's trying,who's trying to get their mark reduced.
Does stats matter.i think the last ten winners were drawn upwards of stall9.

I think it's a cracking renewal but deep down I don't think there will be a shock result.

Charlie Appleby seems to have sussed the race out with his only two runners (as far as I can see) winning. He will know how Eastern World stands relative to its OR regardless of what the form book says.

Gosden is also brilliant when he targets a big handicap. Haqeeqy looks an ideal type and his 7lbs claimer seems to be very highly regarded.

Brunch and Brentford Hope are easy to fancy while Ascension is, I think, Varian's first runner in the race in at least ten years, maybe ever. That can't just be a coincidence, can it?

I'm a fan of Owen Burrows and Danyah who might also be a Group horse in a handicap.

I think that's the type that will win. Deciding which one is the hard part.
 
Had another look (his sire was a sprinter btw, which I'm sure you're aware of) and, though he's won twice over 1m neither was the test of the Lincoln. He was also held up when 2nd to Johan at Ayr - imo, another sign of doubtful stamina.
Johan, conversely, has shown no such frailties and looks likely to be in the van. However, it's a peach of a race to start the season, and may the best horse win - whatever it is.

Yeah, I meant his damsire Reet
 
I think it's a cracking renewal but deep down I don't think there will be a shock result.

Charlie Appleby seems to have sussed the race out with his only two runners (as far as I can see) winning. He will know how Eastern World stands relative to its OR regardless of what the form book says.

Gosden is also brilliant when he targets a big handicap. Haqeeqy looks an ideal type and his 7lbs claimer seems to be very highly regarded.

Brunch and Brentford Hope are easy to fancy while Ascension is, I think, Varian's first runner in the race in at least ten years, maybe ever. That can't just be a coincidence, can it?

I'm a fan of Owen Burrows and Danyah who might also be a Group horse in a handicap.

I think that's the type that will win. Deciding which one is the hard part.

I think the form of the race will work out well. The right horses were challenging two out and probably a mixture of fitness and handicapping have dominated at the finish.

Disappointing finish from Eastern World and River Nymph.
 
I think the form of the race will work out well. The right horses were challenging two out and probably a mixture of fitness and handicapping have dominated at the finish.

Disappointing finish from Eastern World and River Nymph.

And what about the form of the jockeys. He’s some find this new kid.
 
I sort of hate myself for doing this but I decided to fill the void between Cheltenham and Aintree by taking a really good look at the Lincoln, and after waiting for the decs and the draw I was more than happy with my original selection.

The last time “king of the sprinters”; Michael Dods had a runner in the Lincoln was 2011, despite the race being only an hour down the A1M. He won it that year with Sweet Lightning sat 16/1.

This year he saddles Brunch, who’s just been given an ideal mid-to-high draw in stall 15.

He was forced to start his 3yo campaign off in the lowly waters of a C5 AW Novice due to a rating of only 76 but having won that comfortably and receiving glowing post race comments from his trainer, he was upped to handicap company off a revised 83. He is a horse who takes a while to get rolling but looks good when he hits full flow so the constant interference in that Haydock race would not have helped at all and he wasn’t given a hard time thereafter.

He proved that run could be ignored by getting up close home dropped back to 7f, off another 2lb increase, at York. Putting in easily his best work at the finish.

Then stepped back up to a mile, again on the Knavesmire, he defied another 6lb increase, winning off 91 (yet again keeping on well), with one of Saturday’s favourites (Eastern World) 3 lengths back in 5th.

He was then narrowly touched off by Johan at Ayr, from a mark of 97 when sent off 10/3 favourite. He’d have won in another stride and re-opposes off 7lb better terms against what is now the race's top weight.

His penultimate run last season was arguably his best as, as a by now 100 rated 3 year old he went down only to two 108 & 109 rated older horses in a 7f listed contest at Redcar. His finishing effort suggested he’d have been even closer over the extra furlong of Saturday’s race. That run alone would warrant a mark of c. 105 but being a listed race, his mark of 100 was left untouched.

It’s easy to forgive his final run of the season as it was on atrocious ground at Newmarket, again in a listed contest and came at the end of a long season. The fact that he went off shorter that day than horses rated 114, 110, 107 and 103 says a lot. He missed the break and thereafter, never really got into a race in which it paid to be prominent and could never pick up in the heavy ground but wasn’t given a hard time once it was clear he wasn’t going to trouble the judge.

He’s just the type his trainer does well with, albeit normally over slightly shorter and if he’s ready to race, which I expect him to be, I reckon he’ll be another progressive 4 year old winner of the race that goes on to better things.

I've just had as much as Hills will let me at the boosted odds of 17.52/1 and some at the regular 16/1, 5 places and while I know there'll likely be 6 or 7 places on offer come Saturday I can't see him being that big. He's currently 11/1 with the sponsors and 12 with Betfair/Paddy and Skybet
Tough luck, Lee; he caught a real tartar.
 
And what about the form of the jockeys. He’s some find this new kid.

I hadn't heard of him until he got a mention on the TV a few weeks back when they talked about him in unusually glowing terms.

Gosden is no mug and if he is happy to entrust a potential Lincoln winner to a 7lbs claimer I am happy to trust his judgment.
 
Tough luck, Lee; he caught a real tartar.

Thanks Reet.

Luckily I was fairly pissed when I watched it as had been out for most of the day, otherwise I’d have been a bit gutted as (through my blurry eyes) he looked all over the winner 1f out.

Boost to the form of Johan.
 
I hadn't heard of him until he got a mention on the TV a few weeks back when they talked about him in unusually glowing terms.

Gosden is no mug and if he is happy to entrust a potential Lincoln winner to a 7lbs claimer I am happy to trust his judgment.
The horse was certainly different class. Well ridden too, but most jockeys would have looked good on him.
 
When Alex Hammond expressed doubts about the jockeys inexperience that was time for
me to pull the trigger.He has been very good on the all weather and has a racing pedigree.
 
Further to the above, pratt Chapman wrongly credited John Gosden with bringing Frankie over but., some time before that association, I distinvtly recall him riding regularly for Luca Cumani.
 
Aye, he was apprenticed to Cumani then went on to become stable jockey. Only about 15/16 when he came over, don’t know whether Gosden had any role in it.
 
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Aye, he was apprenticed to Cumani then went on to become stable jockey. Only about 15/16 when he came over, don’t know whether Gosden had any role in it.

I presume this is Dettori we're talking about?

If so, yes, Cumani brought him over maybe not long after Gianfranco Dettori had had a successful spell with Henry Cecil. I'm not sure if GD rode much for Cumani but I think there was a connection of some sort. Probably mafioso :lol:

I remember having an article published in the Raceform Update (maybe its predecessor) in which I mentioned in passing that, when he was an apprentice, I thought Frankie was seriously flawed (I won't repeat my actual words) as a jockey and was only enjoying a high profile because of privilege. By the time I was writing the item I was rating Frankie the best jockey out there. He still is. By miles.

Haqeeqy would probably have won anyway yesterday without the rider's claim but it will be interesting to see how the Gosdens manage the claim. Will they still want the full claim there for the Hunt Cup, Wokingham, etc? A full-value 7lbs claim in the Ebor would be huge. If he's still claiming 5lbs by the Cambridgeshire it could be crucial.
 
Aye, he was apprenticed to Cumani then went on to become stable jockey. Only about 15/16 when he came over, don’t know whether Gosden had any role in it.

No it was zero to do with Gosden who I think was still training in California in those days. I was working for Cumani when Dettori arrived or possibly he arrived first but it was about the same time. He was very amusing and clearly talented from a very early age. He worked down the bottom yard and the apprentices were supposed to cut the chaff using the old chaff cutter which was reward work. He used to wait until the top yard apprentices (including Jason Weaver) had cut a huge pile and then wing over on his Vespa across the paddocks with a feed sack and swipe it. Jason had turned up at an Open Day (I knew him well from his Pony Club days when I was his instructor) and I introduced him to Cumani who promptly offered him a job. We had some great times in those days with some top class staff and great horses - Kayhasi, Keefah, Infamy, Roseate Tern, Statoblest, etc.
 
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