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Desert Orchid

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This is a screenshot of an item in the RP about where GDC sits in comparison to other 'greats'.

Not sure I agree entirely - I'd have Desert Orchid top - but nice to see Carvills Hill in there. I'd also have Master Oats in the low-mid 180s but I'm pleased that Best Mate is nowhere to be seen.

I presume Arkle is too far back in the past to count.

So, do you agree?

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Carvills Hill was some machine on his day but unfortunately he had plenty of bad days.Not sure what Master Minded is doing on that list.
 
Personally I think there is always a lot of hate for Best mate down to this lack of opposition best of his era type thing. 3 times gold cup winner end of !

Controversial but I wasn't a fan of Sprinter Sacre for me Moscow flyer was the best 2 mile chaser I've ever seem. I've said before Master mindeds first Champion chase was the best performance I've ever see by any horse over 2 mile and would be right up there with Kautos best performances at Kempton. I'd also think Altior was not far off Sprinter and a much more likeable horse.

Kauto will always be top for me I wasn't around for previous eras.

And I think Gallopin after his last performance is closer to Kauto than what they have him. I'd like to see if he runs to that level again this season. That last performance was absolutely top draw in my opinion. Ridiculously good.
 
Seeing as obviously none of these horses from over the years are ever going to race each other, so I can never have a bet on it, I consider this one of the most (among many) pointless ongoing geeky debates in racing.

That said, I'm a bit of a geek myself and I do have a view.

Growing in popularity in recent years is the notion that the ratings of Arkle and Flyingbolt were inflated and that it beggars belief two such highly-rated animals could have been in the same era, let alone the same yard.

There's also talk of how the modern racehorse faces a completely different training regime so comparisons with the past are futile.

But for me ratings link all the eras, and you have to assume and allow for the benefits modern training methods would provide for horses of yesteryear.

For me, Arkle still sets a benchmark that may (never say never, as Frankel surely demonstrated on the Flat) be surpassed, regardless of what that bunch of Millenials to Generation Z'ers with their limited historical database at the RP might think.
 
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