The Seven Sins Of England

krizon

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Watched this, and thought it quite eye-opening, in that I didn't know England had, as the wrap concluded, such a 'rich anti-social history'! The documentary maker's list of England's Seven Sins were, in order:

1 Binge drinking
2 Consumerism
3 Hooliganism
4 Slaggishness
5 Rudeness
6 Violence
7 Bigotry

Each was addressed in historical and current terms by 126 Romford raucous night-outers and townsfolk of today. Not very much has changed over the centuries, the documentary opined.

In 1604 Parliament enacted a statute concerning drunkeness, 1657 there were tut-tuttings about heavy-drinking women with loose morals, Parliament made another valiant effort to control the sozzled with the Gin Act in 1736, all too no overt effect.

Social commentators noted in 1719 that if two street urchins began a scuffle, passersby would form a ring around them, urging them on to a full-scale fight, and wagering on the winner. Boswell wrote in 1762 that 'insolence was part of the democratic process' - in other words, the slow rise of the lower classes was marked by a decline in automatic deference. A writer in 1899 huffed and puffed about 'the young hooligan'.

Our bigoted side showed as early as 1593 when an anti-immigration tract likened immigrants 'like the Jews you eat us up as bread'. (A warm welcome there, then.) Throughout the late 1890s, Jews were blamed for stealing 'English' jobs and reviled as 'this foreign flood'. The 'alien invasion' came from 'the scum of Europe', and at the turn of the 19th and 20th century there were physical attacks on refugees and destitute aliens, with a strong stepping-up in anti-immigration propaganda.

Boswell might be pleased to note that the democratic process seems to be continuing in full swing on any Friday or Saturday night in any town, while one of the Romford residents ventured "Why are we like it? Because it's our culture." And it probably is, just as are scones and strawberry jam, roast beef and Yorkshire pud, and Morris dancing.
 
We've evolved scientifically and technically quite brilliantly, DO, but I'm not sure that innate human nature, steeped in ancient culture, changes that much. The US is a young country, but still in thrall to gun culture as much as the old wild West was - whether on the streets, hunting, or going into battle fairly regularly. Italy has given us remarkable visionaries, but the old passions of status, presenting an image (whether in clothes, shoes, or cars) is still tremendously important. The French haven't changed in their insular attitude (there is nothing worth knowing except whatever is French) and we seem to remain bolshie, argumentative, and suspicious. Perhaps the latter because as an island, the majority of early incomers were invading hordes, uninvited and definitely unwanted?

Overall, humans have evolved in very clever ways, but the film made me think that perhaps, when you strip away the elegant architecture, the marvel of space travel, undersea exploration, and medical advances... we haven't moved on that much in our basic psyches since the 1500s.
 
Originally posted by krizon@May 9 2007, 01:17 PM
we seem to remain bolshie, argumentative, and suspicious.
No we don't and you've obviously got some reason for saying that...

The rest of it is pretty frightening, though.

Apart from Scots sharing their brains (and genes) with the rest of the world. :clap:
 
Ahem! Could I point you to a teeny, weeny clue in the title, DO? Does it say the Seven Sins of Great Britain? The Seven Sins of the Hibernians and the Angles? Well, does it, DOES IT?? :angy:
 
I watched it for about 10mins then turned over, as that lad on the bringe drinking bit was really annoying.
 
Originally posted by krizon@May 9 2007, 06:30 PM
Ahem! Could I point you to a teeny, weeny clue in the title, DO? Does it say the Seven Sins of Great Britain? The Seven Sins of the Hibernians and the Angles? Well, does it, DOES IT?? :angy:
You've lost me shrug::
 
I found the Roy Chubby Brown thing after more amusing. Didn't really understand this program though, seemed to be loaded with twats who thought they were hard.
 
DO - it's the Seven Sins of ENGLAND. You made a reference to it being frightening, apart from the Scots, etc. The Scots didn't come into it, neither did the Welsh, or even the Curwen brotherhood. Just the English.
 
Krizon, I was replying to your post immediately above my comment, in which you mentioned several other nations and their attitudes.
 
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