Maybe you're right, Euro - it may just be my lack of interest in the subject matter. It seems to me though that more people get involved in the jumps discussions - particularly as in the main you're seeing the same horses year-in, year out rather than the high percentage of flat horses that you only see out for sometimes just their 2 and 3yo seasons. You've got to admit some of the longer running (and sometimes tedious, I concede!) topics have been about the jumps - Beef Or Salmon, Iris's Gift, Kicking King, Rooster Booster, Best Mate, Baracouda et al.