Not at all Reet I believe the handicapper was spot on when he gave Master Minded a 186 rating in only his 4th chase win in the UK which was his first ever run in a Grade 1 chase.
I mean to say Denman had only won 13 of his 14 races at the time and Kauto had only won 2 King George's and a Gold Cup by then.:blink:
After all Voy Por Ustedes had beaten Dempsey a 20/1 shot and River City 33/1 after Well Chief fell and New Mill ran like a cow.
The fact the VPU had only won 1 race at 2/5 from 4 attempts prior to running like a dead fish in Master Minded's QMCC was totally irrelevant to the genius handicapper.
I mean the guys a brilliant judge currently according to him the best horses in training are or the best performances are
Finian's Rainbow 173
Long Run 172
Silvianno Conti 172
Tidal Bay 171
Bobsworth 171
Riverside Theatre 170
Sprinter Sacre 169
Perhaps you rating experts should pop into Seven Barrows and let Nicky and Barry know that Sprinter Sacre isn't the best they have ever had in their lives it's Finians Rainbow who wouldn't blow wind up the Black Aeroplanes ar$e.
Even Better tell Timeform that the 180P next to Sprinters name and the 174 against Finian's is a crock of sh!t.
Barry must look at these OR's of the handicappers and think the fooker is stone mad. He has 3 other Seven Barrows inmates ahead of Sprinter Sacre as well. A fact that not one single person in racing with half a brain would agree with
They must have a method of rating as you put it Reet but it is severely flawed and is only one man's opinion at the end of the day.
At least Timeform use their imagination. if they didn't would Frankel be the highest rated flat horse of all time?
The problem with ratings is the handicapper keeps puting himself in the sh!t by overrating horses and when something else thrashes them he has no choice but to give horses stupid meaningless ratings that simply don't stand up to scrutiny and are disproved way to many times or we'd all be rich. The reason he can is they very seldom if ever run in handicaps
The fact is Sprinter Sacre could beat the likes of Kumbeshwar by a fence plus if Barry set out to do it and if the Handicapper can't see that then he's an idiot. his 2 plus 2 = 4 IMO is a load of crap. Yes he has to work to rule as we have handicaps every day and it works pretty well but the ratings he gives top horse who never run in handicaps are totally unrealistic and without imagination.
Getting back to Master Minded VPU should have been dropped 10 lbs before MM beat him which would have had MM on a realistic mark of 176 because that's as near as dammit as he really was but the Handicapper couldn't drop VPU without dropping hundreds of others and that is where the system is severely flawed.
He did however mange to drop Master Minded back down to 178 in no time at all........how come if the method of rating is so perfect?
The answer is simple ''he didn't have to drop hundreds of horses in training to do so
It would seem the handicapper has one rule for horse "A" and another for horse "B"
