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I must say value Vs winners is something I have struggled with in recent years. Ever since joining this forum, I began to understand value much more. However I went through a long spell of 'moral victories' where I was continually on at a great price, but none of them were winning. In the same period, I'd watch a lot of the racing with my Dad and see him mindlessly 'follow the money' , getting terrible 'value', but strike a lot more winners than me. I found it exceptionally frustrating. FWIW , my own opinion now is that you need to be placing a certain (high) volume of bets for the value to take its toll. I think someone here once told me that if you are continually getting on at the right price, long term you do well. But for the casual Saturday punter, winners are everything.