US Election - Here We Go Again

BrianH

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With early voting having started in Florida, the problems of 2000 do not seem to have gone away. So far over 11,000 black people who are registered to vote have turned up to cast their ballot and have been told that they are not registered! The touch-screen system has crashed in certain counties, a Democratic state legislator reported getting an incomplete absentee ballot in Palm Beach (which just happens to be likely to vote for Kerry) and a request for a paper print-out of electronic votes cast in case of the need for verification of a recount has been denied. By Florida Governor Jeb Bush.
 
According to a news report here , both sides are already preparing for a protracted legal battle similar to the previous election.
 
Brian
Bush doesnt need those things
He will win easily the elections,I dont like him very much but he looks better than Kerry and in any elections to be the actual president is a great advantage.
 
suny, for the moment forget which candidate we prefer, think of it as a betting event. Bush may well win, but he certainly won't win easily. This is going to be very close - and again it looks as if they might be taking precautions, in Florida at least.
 
Gerrymandering is a national pastime over there - is it true that Bush has recruited Dame Shirley Porter to run the Florida elections ?

Suny let's hope the US is lucky like Spain and has a surprise centre left win :D
 
Originally posted by Ardross@Oct 18 2004, 10:21 PM


Suny let's hope the US is lucky like Spain and has a surprise centre left win :D
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It can be funny for you what happened here but what we are suffering here and what we are going to suffer is a complete nightmare.

We had a great goverment and a terorist atack change the result of our elections.
We have a coalition of extreme left and independentist in the power and what is going to happen here is a disaster .
Our prime minister iss much more stupid than Dereck Thomsom of channel 4.


Brian

About the Usa elections there some tvs with 8 points of advantage and Kerry does not win in enough states.
For me is a 90-10 in Bush favour.
 
It is all a matter of personal views and perspective suny . I have friends in Spain who are delighted to see the back of Aznar and gang .

As for terrorism Zapatero seems to be cracking down successfully on ETA judging by the recent arrests .
 
Originally posted by Ardross@Oct 18 2004, 11:45 PM


As for terrorism Zapatero seems to be cracking down successfully on ETA judging by the recent arrests .
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You can not be talking seriously about this.


If you want I can
The terrorist detention was an operation planed for 4 years ,it has been Aznar the one who has almost finished with ETA,it is true that the bastard french didnt help in the past and now that we knee in front of them they help more.

The situation is as follows
We were allied with USA,GB,Italy and now we insult them,we have new friends like Cuba or Marocco(very likely to be involved in what happened in the trains on March 11th)


Your friends should be part of the socialist party because it is impossible to find a country in the world that vote this team of inepts and even more knowing what they did before Azanr(money stolen, people killed and the economic situation of the countrie in a level of an African country)
 
Suny,
I would imagine that SPAIN are not unlike most of the democratic countries,such as the USA,UK,FRANCE,GERMANY.These countries distribute the wealth generated very fairly.

This means that a few get the great %age of the wealth.

The many get the least %age of the wealth.

This creates the illusion that your country is poor.

It is not really poor.

You just need a re-distribution of the dosh,thats all.
 
There seems to still be a fair proportion of undecideds. An undecided is unlikely to think Bush is vile, and he is therefore probably the safer option for them to choose. I would think it probable that he will remain in office.
 
OK, it's simple to work out. Each state has a number of votes in the Electoral College, ranging from 3 in each of the eight smaller states to 34 in Texas. There are 538 votes in total. The people vote for the electors, who in turn choose the President. So, whichever of Bush or Kerry gets to at least 269 votes in the Electoral College will be Preident for the next four years.

Most states are easy to read - for example, Texas, of course, will vote for Bush while the state with the second highest number of votes, New York with 31, will come down on the side of Kerry. Ther are eight states, accounting for 99 votes, where the election will be decided. They are Florida, Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Ohio, Pennsylvanis and Wisconsin. Of these, just three, Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania account for 68 of the 99 votes. So you can see why the bulk of the advertising expenditure has been centred around just a few states. Citizens of New York and Dallas have hardly seen a party political commercial!

In my opinion, whoever wins two out Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania will become the next President.

It's that close, suny.
 
I have never heard a convincing explanation why that system is fairer than who gets the most votes
 
You have to remember that from the very beginning (1776) there have been debates and compromises over federal and states' rights. I expect that if they were to suggest a change to the highest proportion of the popular vote, all the state legislatures would be up in arms. In most presidential elections if they adopted that system there would be a win for the Democrats. Which is another good reason why they';ll never change!

Mind you, we can't talk - our system is full of flaws.
 
Good old Florida! If you remember, in 2000 they "purged" the electoral register of ex-felons, who under state law are not allowed to vote. The law is the law but mistakes were made in that they included those who had committed misdemeanours rather than felonies, those who had been pardoned and even some who had similar names to felons! More than 20,000 people were wrongly barred from voting. The majority were African-Americans who traditionally vote Democrat. Well, they were at it again, but they have been over-ruled. The list was published and there were over 22,000 African-Americans listed - but only 61 Hispanics, who favour the Republican party in Florida. Even in Florida this was considered to be a bit too much of a coincidence and the list was voided.
 
I think I remember at the time of the last election someone on sky news saying something along the lines of what Gearoid is asking ... that there was nothing to stop a state casting their votes in the electoral college the wrong way, it just doesn't happen.
 
It was discussed during the Flordia re-count when they had nothing else to talk about.
 
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