US Government shutdown

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There seems to be little mention of this. Certainly down here anyway.

I they don't agree to raise their debt limit by 17/10/13, they'll default on their debt, and 2008 will seem like a walk in the Park.

It has to happen at some point, as you can't keep borrowing money to pay off debt.

This should be plastered all over Newspapers and continually broadcast and TV and Radio as it'll affect most of the Planet.
 
Obama achieving what was expected of him,
worst president since Carter

And this problem is not only done by him, how can most countries can continue borrowing and spending more money than they can,?
they should continue buying votes, this is the democracy
 
Its not as catastrophic as so many seem to believe. In fact its neither here nor there in many ways

Theres always a lot of misunderstanding about national debt. Figures get thrown around and everyone assumes its like some unsustainable credit card. Theres always this talk of "future generations" having to "pay off" as if it was a fixed loan with no futher credit available. Thats nonsense. Repayment comes steadily from growth and the bond markets and ratings give indications of sustainablity

I am a but amiss of the details here but once again i sense Obamas aloof manner and the fact that hes simply not a wheeler dealer (lack of experience kicks in) casues more problems than it should
 
Very reminiscent of an episode of The West Wing (in which Bartlet's government won the stand-off against pig-headedness on the Republican congress's part).
 
CPGagie said:
I they don't agree to raise their debt limit by 17/10/13, they'll default on their debt, and 2008 will seem like a walk in the Park.
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that should read "may default on their debt"

Worth remembering why this is happening before placing the blame at Obama's door. The Republicans dont want obamacare. So they're going to put the world into recession to prevent it.

Top guys.
 
Agreed, simmo.

GOP idealogues in the Senate are trying to hold the Executive to ransom, despite the fact that it's Healthcare reform that has been approved by the US electorate twice-over.
 
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Very reminiscent of an episode of The West Wing (in which Bartlet's government won the stand-off against pig-headedness on the Republican congress's part).
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It was ahead of it's time. Jed, Toby, Leo and Sam would have sorted them out..and if C.J. had got her hands on them..................
 
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Agreed, simmo.

GOP idealogues in the Senate are trying to hold the Executive to ransom, despite the fact that it's Healthcare reform that has been approved by the US electorate twice-over.
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Bollocks as usual. You think the senate is unelected ?

Obama is a lightweight who couldn't negotiate his way out of a paper bag. He also seemingly (rhetorically this is said a lot) is viewed as aloof and unable to manage the bigger picture as well as build relationships across the divide. That is essential in us politics

SUNY may well have a point
 
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It was ahead of it's time. Jed, Toby, Leo and Sam would have sorted them out..and if C.J. had got her hands on them..................
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Not necessarily so. Clinton went through same thing with Gingrich although without having details to hand, it didn't get to this stage and the genuinely smart Clinton came out a strong winner
 
The problem is that neither side are prepared to budge. IMO if Obama gives in to blackmailers prepared to put the world in recession to stop a policy they don't like then he really will be the worst President since Carter.

The clinton situation was different in that there was plenty of room for movement by both sides - it's easy to negotiate in such circumstances.
 
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Agreed, simmo.

GOP idealogues in the Senate are trying to hold the Executive to ransom, despite the fact that it's Healthcare reform that has been approved by the US electorate twice-over.
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickung...hutdown-bolstered-obamacare-popularity-by-20/

Well admittedly there is greater support for it now

Up to 38% of the electorate. Wow. Suggest perhaps the GOP are enabling the will of the electorate?

But of course old europe knows whats best for them.

the idea that he was elected purely on obamacare is crap of course.
 
Clivex, all of your posts above display the strident drivel of someone who thinks there's only one potential outcome.

Suggest you let it all play out first; though, frankly, if your previous is anything to go by, you'll almost certainly claim a victory of sort, seven if it ends with Boehner going-down on Obama as an act of contrition.

Week, aloof, blah bleedin' blah. Such errant horse-sh*t belies a wilful ignorance of the facts, rendering further discussion a waste of time.

Obamacare was the flagship policy - that and the ressurection of the US economy - to suggest otherwise is equally wilfully ingorant.

The GOP are prepared to torpedo both endeavours; despite the fact that Obama is a two-term President, and despite the fact that the US economy is finally merging from its deepest recession in a century.

And for what? Narrow self-interest and ideology - that's what.

And you applaud them? I know you're a died-in-the-wool capitalist, but that's no excuse for being a dim-witted, myopic eejit. :cool:
 
Waffle

Argue the points made or not at all. Torpedoing obamacare will not adversely affect the economy (probably the opposite). And until last week 69% of the electorate would be quite content to see it ditched

I dont suppose the press over here and BBC are quite so keen to report that

So follow the will of the people, ditch the scheme and get back up and running again.

Now clearly it neednt be like that but Obama is trying to push through a scheme which had little public support with seemingly little compromise against an elected senate
 
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Follow the will of the people and pass the budget the House of Representatives has approved.

Now what?
 
IMO if Obama gives in to blackmailers prepared to put the world in recession
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Whos blackmailing who?

Not only that i think its a huge call to say that this will "put the world into recession" In fact i think its rubbish
 
The truth of he matter is that he senate should not be blocking at this stage and as much as it is blamed on "idealogues" clearly there is something very amiss here with relations across the house

it is an unpopular scheme but certainly there is a mandate for it to be implemented in some shape or form

Feeling is that it is a bit of both sides here.

And I haven't actually stated what I think of the scheme myself (not relevant anyway) but it is striking how little poll support it does have

And as head in the clouds they can be these days, would the GOP really be taking this stance if say 69% of voters wanted obamacare? I bet not...
 
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Finally, a more measured response. :cool:

I still don't get why Obama is still painted by you as weak. Nancy-boy Presidents generally don't tend to use words like "ransom" and "blackmail" about division in the US Senate.

Whatever your political stripe, the Prez is surely being quite ballsy insofar as this impasse with the Senate is concerned; Boehner and the GOP were the first to move position on this, not Obama.
 
Didn't say weak. But a theme has been that he's not canny at manipulating the houses. A bit of he bush, Clinton Johnson backslapping and deal making appears to be seen as either beneath him or just not his style. Rightly or wrongly that is what's required over there
 
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