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Merlin the Magician

Merlin the Magician

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:o 'Anti-gay leaflets' man denies chargeSep 7 2006




South Wales Echo


A christian anti-gay protestor has appeared in court following his arrest for handing out leaflets at the Cardiff Mardi Gras festival.

Stephen Edwin Green, 45, pleaded not guilty to using threatening, abusive or insulting words of behaviour, under the Public Order Act at Cardiff Magistrates' Court.

Green, of Penybont, Carmarthen, was accompanied by a dozen supporters from churches in South Wales who sat at the back of the court.

The court was told Green was seen distributing the allegedly homophobic leaflets outside the Mardi Gras festival and was warned to stop or face being arrested.

Green was released on unconditional bail until September 28. Legal aid was refused.

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My view
Fundamentalist Muslims that openly preached hatred in the street for a few yrs in London in front of the constabulary too and were never arrested!


Why should this guy be arrested for giving out leaflets to inform people that its a sin, he is only confirming what Christians and the holy bible state that this activity is a sin against god.

I am sorry I think this country is really gone to the dogs with an arrest of this nature, per the above.

It worries me what’s really happening in this country of ours.

I am an atheist and an heterosexual man and not homophobic or rascist either; I am just highlighting what was posted in my local rag yesterday I personally think it stinks..........

DO YOU HAVE ANY REMARKS WITH REGARDS THIS ARREST????
 
Merlin I,ve always respected and thought you were a fab guy with a sense of humour but to be honest I'm not impressed and its a bit like listening to my dad, he has wonderful views on gays and its only cos I sat him down and told him some truths that he now has a different attitude.

The only thing I have to do now is educate him in the fact that black/asian/ ect are not terrorists.

Merlin I hope to god you are not in the same ilk.
 
I agree Merlin, what happened to the right to free speech, the examples of Abu Hamza and the like being protected by police ring a note with me. Is it one rule for the Muslim preachers and one for the Christian ones???
I am also an atheist and heterosexual man but I believe that any beliefs are valid and we should all be allowed to state our opinions.
 
Until we know what was said we can't judge the rights and wrongs of the matter. The report doesn't tell us and it would be a pretty good guess that "using threatening, abusive or insulting words of behaviour, under the Public Order Act" refers to more than just a suggestion of sin.

It's good to hear that you are neither racist nor homophobic, Merlin.
 
I'd say what Merlins on about is the application of a perceived double standard, (there's no shortage of them in life afterall) and not much more than that. It always struck me as slightly bizzare that a government that could sanction war in the sure knowledge that innocent people would be 'collaterally damaged' was strangely reluctant to lift a finger regarding an infinately easier intervention to prosecute. I can only assume that there were perceived tactical reasons for allowing Fridays meetings at the Finsbury Park mosque to remain 'open' as this might have been preferable to forcing them into an underground existance otherwise.
 
For sure, Warbler. It also made the attendees easier to surveill and follow, if desired. While I'm sure many people people wondered 'wtf?' about Hamza being allowed to bellow exhortations to kill the infidel in public, there would probably be more harm at that time in him going behind closed doors. I don't think the mosque leaders were that happy about him shouting the odds from the street, either, but I'm sure they were complicit in whatever game MI5 had up its sleeve.

As for the raving reverend, he really ought to be seeing what useful things he might do for his congregation, what elderly shut-ins he might visit, whose feet might want washing, and whether he can stretch the buns and tea budget to feed a few homeless desperates. Not 5,000 perhaps, but 5 would be a good start.
 
Don't see why he deserves to be referred to as christian before he is referred to as anti-gay.

A warranted arrest, would be my opinion.
 
Originally posted by Colin Phillips@Sep 9 2006, 01:08 PM
...............none with regard to the arrest but shocked and horrified that you should make such a post!! :D
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You would sweep it under the carpet then Colin and the South Wales Echo should not have published the story either??????????

You would not compare Muslim fundamentalist as being illegal either! You would condone their actions and the actions of the police also for the years they allowed it and did it??

I really cant see any comparison at all I am sorry to say, and allowing these people to preach hatred in the streets its on a par with this guy giving leaflets out?

They let them preach their hatred for years and never done anything to them this guy gives out leaflets and gets arrested no comparison surely?

There cannot surely be a law for one and not the other, that’s my grouse.....

This below is in answer to some of the other comments on this thread……

It really amuses me you highlight a case like I brought to the attention of this forum the illegal immigrants coming into this country some 30 months ago now and you are deemed as being racist! You highlight a case as above and you are deemed as homophobic. Its like John Read (the home secretary) said you highlight the masses of illegal immigrants coming into this country and people deem you as racist its a fact of life and untrue I can assure you.

How many gay people have you spoken with today? Me! Just the one ( about an hour ago now) who lives opposite me and parks his car outside my house under my CCTV so as to keep it safe..... Marvellous hey!!

How many blacks have you been in the company of in the last 24 hrs? Me 6 all ladies (I unbolted a living room table down for her earlier today too) I also lent my neighbour who is one of these 6 black ladies my pasting board to do her wallpapering in her new house.

I had an invite and went to a Barbie in their back garden last Friday as many as 20 black and a few Hispanic and Asian people and 5 white people do you know what one of the topics of conversations was?

One black lady brought up the thing as regards these Muslim women wearing yashmacs and it frightens her if they walk into a ladies toilet, when she is in there too as it could be a man! And there are too many of them in our country, her words, not mine, honest.marvellous init?

But it seems a few on here lead very sheltered lives and fail to integrate with black people Asian or Hispanic people, I have lived in the south of Cardiff most of my life and been brought up with all colours and creeds in this cosmopolitan city I live in, and a lot of them are better friends to have than some white people I can assure you.

I hope this information once and for all gets through to these people (and puts these two subjects to sleep!) Who try to brand me something that I am not, and let’s not have any further comments as regards myself being homophobic and having/being racist and having overviews on these two subjects as your a million miles away.

Thanks in anticipation J-R..aka MtM

p.s. it should not stop me posting about these subjects either if I so wish, or any other subject I wish to post about as well as I post with in the parrameters of the boards rules.
 
There cannot surely be a law for one and not the other, that’s my grouse.....
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Then why not simply agree what they are doing. If these leaflets were hate causing or likely to incite trouble they should be stopped. As should any Muslim (or non Muslim) preaching any sort of encouragement of terrorism etc.

Instead your posting seems like you feel the guy distributing these leaflets has the right to do so.
 
Originally posted by Merlin the Magician@Sep 9 2006, 12:58 PM




A christian anti-gay protestor has appeared in court following his arrest for handing out leaflets at the Cardiff Mardi Gras festival.


DO YOU HAVE ANY REMARKS WITH REGARDS THIS ARREST????
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I`d sooner be gay than a xtian.
 
Merlin, being a fundamentalist - of any religion - is not illegal! You can be a Christian fundie and also a creationist, and believe that God made everything in seven days flat (can't Erskine-Crum sign Him up for the re-refurbishment at Ascot?), and it's not illegal. You can believe that adulterers and abortionists should be murdered - that is not actually illegal until you put it into threatening letters or carry the threats out.

If the raving rev handed out leaflets that were in any way abusive or threatening, then he's contravening one of the Public Order acts. He's probably not likely to murder homosexuals, or at least we hope not, but Abu Hamza and his ilk were encouraging young men to become 'martyrs' for their faith, and there's no doubt that much more interest was taken in him and his followers, as Warbler has said, over a long period of time, in order to ensure that when his deportation day came round, all the evidence possible to enact the order was in place, and that he could not squirm out of the charges against him - which have been brought - on some legal technicality.

You say why should he be arrested for telling people 'it's a sin' - well it's a sin to Christians and yes, the Bible tells men not to 'lie' with other men, that is perfectly true. But we don't know the exact content of the leaflets, do we, and it may be that they contained some material that was offensive to the people they were aimed at. After all, they had the right to peaceful assembly themselves, which is what a Mardi Gras is, and have the right not to be threatened on the grounds of their sexual preference, any more than for their skin colour, nationality, or age.

Homosexuality is not a sin to people who don't have the religious beliefs that say it is and even then, there are plenty of believing Jews, Muslims, Christians and others who are as camp as a row of Boy Scout tents, but feel that their sexual preferences don't deny them the right to be devout in their love of their deity or deities.

I understand the point you're trying to make, but there have been arrests in the Abu Hamza case. That particular scenario probably has far more complicated issues within it than we will possibly ever know - if it was just a question of arresting AH and bundling him out of the country, it would have been done. I imagine there was a mole at work somewhere, requiring plenty of time to access information and feedback to the security agencies. That kind of thing is only done quickly in fiction, like 'Spooks'.
 
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