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I agree you need to look at that race but sometimes when the form pans out I look back and reach different conclusions. Shadwell love the big handicaps every bit as much as any other outfit. When Mota turned up in the Bunbury Cup looking for a repeat off just 109 with Dettori up he became irresistible. I took the view his season was geared around kicking off in the Bunbury Cup. I didn't expect him to win as easily as he did but I've been back and forward through the form and it stacks up incredibly well. Either that or everything bar the winner ran below form. Take the winner out and people would be raving about what a good race it was.

But that's what the game is all about: opinions.

I'm more given to trust handicap form in handicaps than non-handicap form, especially if the time doesn't back up the bare form. To be fair, I haven't checked the time of the Chester race but it strikes me as stacking up very strongly too (like you, I thought Safe Voyage was a good thing on the day) hence my keenness to include MF among my bets even though Chester is more likely than Newmarket to throw up a false result.

<blockquote data-quote="Desert Orchid" data-source="post: 2631096" data-attributes="member: 65242">I agree you need to look at that race but sometimes when the form pans out I look back and reach different conclusions. Shadwell love the big handicaps every bit as much as any other outfit. When Mota turned up in the Bunbury Cup looking for a repeat off just 109 with Dettori up he became irresistible. I took the view his season was geared around kicking off in the Bunbury Cup. I didn&#039;t expect him to win as easily as he did but I&#039;ve been back and forward through the form and it stacks up incredibly well. Either that or everything bar the winner ran below form. Take the winner out and people would be raving about what a good race it was.But that&#039;s what the game is all about: opinions.I&#039;m more given to trust handicap form in handicaps than non-handicap form, especially if the time doesn&#039;t back up the bare form. To be fair, I haven&#039;t checked the time of the Chester race but it strikes me as stacking up very strongly too (like you, I thought Safe Voyage was a good thing on the day) hence my keenness to include MF among my bets even though Chester is more likely than Newmarket to throw up a false result.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Desert Orchid, post: 2631096, member: 65242"] I agree you need to look at that race but sometimes when the form pans out I look back and reach different conclusions. Shadwell love the big handicaps every bit as much as any other outfit. When Mota turned up in the Bunbury Cup looking for a repeat off just 109 with Dettori up he became irresistible. I took the view his season was geared around kicking off in the Bunbury Cup. I didn't expect him to win as easily as he did but I've been back and forward through the form and it stacks up incredibly well. Either that or everything bar the winner ran below form. Take the winner out and people would be raving about what a good race it was. But that's what the game is all about: opinions. I'm more given to trust handicap form in handicaps than non-handicap form, especially if the time doesn't back up the bare form. To be fair, I haven't checked the time of the Chester race but it strikes me as stacking up very strongly too (like you, I thought Safe Voyage was a good thing on the day) hence my keenness to include MF among my bets even though Chester is more likely than Newmarket to throw up a false result. [/QUOTE]

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