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Without wishing to sound patronising, I love it when Warbler starts threads like this. It's refreshing and gets us all - well saddos like me - thinking from another perspective, which in the long run can't be a bad exercise.

Still, I have to say it is surely extremely dangerous to draw firm conclusions from two runs, especially when the most recent was so obviously unrepresentative of the horse's true ability regardless of optimum distance.

Where I do tend to agree with Warbler is is global assessment of stayers. I've been trying to tell people for long enough that the current bunch of stayers is nothing great. Mind you, I don't think the 2-milers are that hot either. There's a bunch running close to true Grade 1 figures without any standouts (Osana might end up hammering them all) but they're still better than what we had a few years ago when only Istabraq and then old Foghorn Leghorn were upt o hitting figures beyond the G1 benchmark (168 on my figures).

Baracouda and Rhinestone Cowboy could do it over distances and on his best form so could Iris's Gift, just.

<blockquote data-quote="Desert Orchid" data-source="post: 2128290" data-attributes="member: 65242">Without wishing to sound patronising, I love it when Warbler starts threads like this. It&#039;s refreshing and gets us all - well saddos like me - thinking from another perspective, which in the long run can&#039;t be a bad exercise.Still, I have to say it is surely extremely dangerous to draw firm conclusions from two runs, especially when the most recent was so obviously unrepresentative of the horse&#039;s true ability regardless of optimum distance.Where I do tend to agree with Warbler is is global assessment of stayers. I&#039;ve been trying to tell people for long enough that the current bunch of stayers is nothing great. Mind you, I don&#039;t think the 2-milers are that hot either. There&#039;s a bunch running close to true Grade 1 figures without any standouts (Osana might end up hammering them all) but they&#039;re still better than what we had a few years ago when only Istabraq and then old Foghorn Leghorn were upt o hitting figures beyond the G1 benchmark (168 on my figures).Baracouda and Rhinestone Cowboy could do it over distances and on his best form so could Iris&#039;s Gift, just.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Desert Orchid, post: 2128290, member: 65242"] Without wishing to sound patronising, I love it when Warbler starts threads like this. It's refreshing and gets us all - well saddos like me - thinking from another perspective, which in the long run can't be a bad exercise. Still, I have to say it is surely extremely dangerous to draw firm conclusions from two runs, especially when the most recent was so obviously unrepresentative of the horse's true ability regardless of optimum distance. Where I do tend to agree with Warbler is is global assessment of stayers. I've been trying to tell people for long enough that the current bunch of stayers is nothing great. Mind you, I don't think the 2-milers are that hot either. There's a bunch running close to true Grade 1 figures without any standouts (Osana might end up hammering them all) but they're still better than what we had a few years ago when only Istabraq and then old Foghorn Leghorn were upt o hitting figures beyond the G1 benchmark (168 on my figures). Baracouda and Rhinestone Cowboy could do it over distances and on his best form so could Iris's Gift, just. [/QUOTE]

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