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Erm, because in the case of MWDS he has won 2 grade 1 hurdles, a grade 2 hurdle, a grade 1 chase and a grade 2 chase - that record tells me he is a grade 1 horse! Not least that two of those grade 1 wins were at the Cheltenham Festival! You cannot take away from him the form he has posted, he can only beat what is put in front of him.

I can't buy the "stopwatch doesn't lie" theory either - the stopwatch can't sodding read a formbook, I know that much! It is not the be all and end all and cannot be relied upon absolutely - Lindop is a case in point.

As for

...you are quite correct, it wasn't punishing, it was horrendous ground. That day the ground was exceptionally tiring and very gluey, they had trouble getting through it.

I owe you an apology, mind - no, I didn't quote your paragraph in my first post, but in saying "your third paragraph" I didn't think that needed any explanation whatsoever!!!

<blockquote data-quote="Shadow Leader" data-source="post: 2128302" data-attributes="member: 65043">Erm, because in the case of MWDS he has won 2 grade 1 hurdles, a grade 2 hurdle, a grade 1 chase and a grade 2 chase - that record tells me he is a grade 1 horse!&nbsp; Not least that two of those grade 1 wins were at the Cheltenham Festival!&nbsp; You cannot take away from him the form he has posted, he can only beat what is put in&nbsp; front of him.I can&#039;t buy the &quot;stopwatch doesn&#039;t lie&quot; theory either - the stopwatch can&#039;t sodding read a formbook, I know that much!&nbsp; It is not the be all and end all and cannot be relied upon absolutely - Lindop is a case in point.As for ...you are quite correct, it wasn&#039;t punishing, it was horrendous ground.&nbsp; That day the ground was exceptionally tiring and very gluey, they had trouble getting through it.I owe you an apology, mind - no, I didn&#039;t quote your paragraph in my first post, but in saying &quot;your third paragraph&quot; I didn&#039;t think that needed any explanation whatsoever!!!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Shadow Leader, post: 2128302, member: 65043"] Erm, because in the case of MWDS he has won 2 grade 1 hurdles, a grade 2 hurdle, a grade 1 chase and a grade 2 chase - that record tells me he is a grade 1 horse! Not least that two of those grade 1 wins were at the Cheltenham Festival! You cannot take away from him the form he has posted, he can only beat what is put in front of him. I can't buy the "stopwatch doesn't lie" theory either - the stopwatch can't sodding read a formbook, I know that much! It is not the be all and end all and cannot be relied upon absolutely - Lindop is a case in point. As for ...you are quite correct, it wasn't punishing, it was horrendous ground. That day the ground was exceptionally tiring and very gluey, they had trouble getting through it. I owe you an apology, mind - no, I didn't quote your paragraph in my first post, but in saying "your third paragraph" I didn't think that needed any explanation whatsoever!!! [/QUOTE]

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