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Yes I know even good trainers make mistakes, and AK is always the first to admit it when this happens. If this were *just* MWDS under-performing, then I'd be inclined to think he made a mistake, period. But it's not.

I happen to think AK is an exceptionally good trainer and to have so many of his horses running well below the level of what they have already achieved, indicates a physical problem in the horses. Of course he may have changed his whole training regime; but this wouldn't explain either why some horses are still running to top level and others are bombing abysmally. I think I'm right in saying btw that AK very rarely has runners which are PU, so even that is in itself an indication of something wrong [imo, anyway]

Forgive me - no I haven't been following the detail! - I took on board at the start your point about Staying hurdlers maybe not being proper Grade 1 animals and thought there was some truth in it; but I can't be arsed to follow these heavyweight forum slanging matches where the same ground is gone over several times [the words 'bees' and 'bonnets' come to mind...]. The detail is no doubt fascinating but I'm quite ill right now and I can't cope with it - I'll go back to it another time.

So my remarks about Cheltenham weren't based on your stats in particular, I was just commenting on the general assumption that what happens at Cheltenham is the be all and end all of jump racing. The course doesn't suit some very good horses at all - cf Desert Orchid

<blockquote data-quote="Sara" data-source="post: 2128316" data-attributes="member: 65329">Yes I know even good trainers make mistakes, and AK is always the first to admit it when this happens. If this were *just* MWDS under-performing, then I&#039;d be inclined to think he made a mistake, period. But it&#039;s not. I happen to think AK is an exceptionally good trainer and to have so many of his horses running well below the level of what they have already achieved, indicates a physical problem in the horses. Of course he may have changed his whole training regime; but this wouldn&#039;t explain either why some horses are still running to top level and others are bombing abysmally.&nbsp; I think I&#039;m right in saying btw that AK very rarely has runners which are PU, so even that is in itself an indication of something wrong [imo, anyway]Forgive me - no I haven&#039;t been following the detail! - I took on board at the start your point about Staying hurdlers maybe not being proper Grade 1 animals and thought there was some truth in it; but I can&#039;t be arsed to follow these heavyweight forum slanging matches where the same ground is gone over several times [the words &#039;bees&#039; and &#039;bonnets&#039; come to mind...]. The detail is no doubt fascinating but I&#039;m quite ill right now and I can&#039;t cope with it - I&#039;ll go back to it another time.So my remarks about Cheltenham weren&#039;t based on your stats in particular, I was just commenting on the general assumption that what happens at Cheltenham is the be all and end all of jump racing. The course doesn&#039;t suit some very good horses at all - cf Desert Orchid</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sara, post: 2128316, member: 65329"] Yes I know even good trainers make mistakes, and AK is always the first to admit it when this happens. If this were *just* MWDS under-performing, then I'd be inclined to think he made a mistake, period. But it's not. I happen to think AK is an exceptionally good trainer and to have so many of his horses running well below the level of what they have already achieved, indicates a physical problem in the horses. Of course he may have changed his whole training regime; but this wouldn't explain either why some horses are still running to top level and others are bombing abysmally. I think I'm right in saying btw that AK very rarely has runners which are PU, so even that is in itself an indication of something wrong [imo, anyway] Forgive me - no I haven't been following the detail! - I took on board at the start your point about Staying hurdlers maybe not being proper Grade 1 animals and thought there was some truth in it; but I can't be arsed to follow these heavyweight forum slanging matches where the same ground is gone over several times [the words 'bees' and 'bonnets' come to mind...]. The detail is no doubt fascinating but I'm quite ill right now and I can't cope with it - I'll go back to it another time. So my remarks about Cheltenham weren't based on your stats in particular, I was just commenting on the general assumption that what happens at Cheltenham is the be all and end all of jump racing. The course doesn't suit some very good horses at all - cf Desert Orchid [/QUOTE]

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