X-Factor 2010

Gamla Stan

Gamla Stan

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Almost ashamed to start this topic but I always think it's a great betting event with the betting always closer than it should be.

Not seen much of it so far with being away most weekends but I think Katie is the best bet to be the first to go I've ever seen in one of these TV style markets. Had a very large bet at 4s and 9/2 this morning. She should be odds on for my money, she's hated after getting in over Gamu (who I still make odds on to be put back in the show after the public uproar despite the visa rumours), she isn't very good, she constantly forgets her words and she comes across and looks like a complete tit.

Still 7/2 in places and I suspect she'll be sub 2/1 come Saturday night.
 
Can't believe she was put in over gamu, I was gobsmacked when cheryl I can do no wrong said she couldn't put her through
 
Very big rumours that concerns over Gamu's immigration status led to her being thrown out. Her mother has apparently overstayed her student visa .

I do not do immigration law but Gamu as far as I can recall may have a chance of obtaining leave to remain on human rights grounds in that she was a small child when they came from Zimbabwe and is to all intents and purposes brought up as a UK resident.
 
Ardross said:
Very big rumours that concerns over Gamu's immigration status led to her being thrown out. Her mother has apparently overstayed her student visa .

I do not do immigration law but Gamu as far as I can recall may have a chance of obtaining leave to remain on human rights grounds in that she was a small child when they came from Zimbabwe and is to all intents and purposes brought up as a UK resident.
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Apparently the family are being deported. Lovely country we are, deporting people back to a country like Zimbabwe after children have been bought up here.
 
That girl in Cheryl's 3...not the blond or the Looney but the scouser is the bomb:<3: Voice like an American star and when they bring her confidence out she will walk it.

also think Stormez is cool;)
 
I have backed the winner of this a few times - have backed Aiden Grimshaw and Matt Cardle this time. Gamu would have claims if she gets in on the wild card thingy.
 
Simon Cowell & his lawyers are apparently stepping in to "save" Gamu - cue extra interest in XFactor - more ££££££s in Cowell's pockets.
 
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Cheryl Cole should be at home pleasing her husband. Poor ashley, he never had a chance.
 
We can do nothing right - Euronymous berates 'this country' for the Border Agency correctly wanting to return Gamu's family to their home country, jinny/j berates Simon Cowell for offering his lawyers' assistance to see if there's a legal challenge to the proposed action.
 
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and my immensely cynical head wonders if her entering X-factor was a ploy to force immigrations hand into letting them stay.... once the newspapers got hold of the story, the pressure would be on for them to get a reprieve.... and lets face it - they wont have only had one letter from the border people the week the first set of TV shows came out - it would have been going on a while surely??

(to be fair though - I dont watch the show, but Ive seen clips and shes pretty good!!)
 
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Wouldn't surprise me, Troodles, as so much is cynical these days. Thing is, if her mother came over originally on a student's visa which has long since expired (must've been one helluva study group!), then they weren't asylum seekers fleeing a repressive old bastard in their home country. In fact, 8 years ago, crap as the country was going, Mugabe wasn't yet fully hitting his stride in wrecking it. And not everyone's doing badly in Zim -just those who supported Tchangarai, and white Zims who farm.
 
Mary Byrne was berludy amazing tonight - Simon not overly forthcoming in his praise but she got some ovation.
 
I saw the end of one girl - got told to turn over to see some girl doing "we are the champions" - she was quite good.... and Cheryls wild card girl apparently was good,but i missed her (i was watching casualty!!)
 
Footballers
X Factor
Rent a whores like Cheryl Cole, Katy Perry etc

The reason this country is fecked. Youngsters nowadays have no decent role models because the media are obsessed with shit.
 
If there's a reason why some of society's fecked, it's because parents don't represent values or good role models. If you have a sound foundation, it doesn't matter a jot about 'celebrities' - God knows society's had enough good and bad models down the ages to emulate, and footballers have always been the pin-ups of young boys dreaming of one day making it big. If you come from chaos and unloved neglect, your role models are quite likely to be your local gang-bangers and drug dealers. If you are unvalued and made to feel worthless, your road to respect is also quite likely to be via the shortest, most brutal route available. It's way too simplistic to blame the hype about shallow, self-obsessed people for 'what's wrong with the youth of today' when the fault is always, always, always at home base.

But there'll always be something wrong with a minority of the youth of today, whether it's 1710, 1810 or 2010. At least they're not hanged or 'transported for life' to the colonies when they nick a Mars Bar now.
 
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Have half decent parents and there will be no need for some sort of celebrity role model. Anyway my two got through and are now first and second favs.
 
Did my money, didn't foresee nobody voting for the fella who went first at all.

Katie is clearly hated and she'll be off next week!
 
krizon said:
It's way too simplistic to blame the hype about shallow, self-obsessed people for 'what's wrong with the youth of today' when the fault is always, always, always at home base.
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Fair point, I probably was being too simplistic. But when I was growing up divorce was relatively uncommon and I'm pretty sure looking back that most of my classmates had mother's at home all the time. I'm not saying the more equal workplace we have now is a bad thing but maybe role models outside the family unit have a bigger influence now than they ever have. Seeing 13 and 14 year old girls all dolled up like mini Jordan's is certainly a thing I never saw when I was a teenager.
 
Two sides to every argument though. Take divorce - I can see your point entirely Euro, but divorce is a better option than an unhealthy relationship, particularly when children are involved. A society in which divorce is frowned upon to such an extent that it is responsible for the continuation of abusive marriages is far more dangerous than a modern culture accepting of divorce (though as I said I understand your point as well).

People often forget as well that the footballers of today are a function of the society of their youth just as much as is the case now. This "chav" (hate that term) culture isn't something that just popped up overnight.

What's happening with Gamu by the way guys? I have no real interest in X Factor, but she's an incredible singer.
 
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Apparently Cowell is getting his lawyers in to help her case (not sure how true this is).

The Tabloids were loving it yesterday, saying how she claimed she'll be shot if she goes back. Zimbabwe is bad but it's hardly Somalia or Iran, I'm sure she never said that.

I'm disappointed it's not shown our immigration system for the shambles that it really is rather than constantly berating immigrants. Many have much more to offer than our own population but that's a debate for another time.
 
I've never seen an episode of that show in my life but it will be a disgrace if some idiot celebrity gets to bend the law when he/she chooses to get involved. She has to go back - the media can't be running the country.
 
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Two sides to every argument though. Take divorce - I can see your point entirely Euro, but divorce is a better option than an unhealthy relationship, particularly when children are involved. A society in which divorce is frowned upon to such an extent that it is responsible for the continuation of abusive marriages is far more dangerous than a modern culture accepting of divorce (though as I said I understand your point as well).
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Much as that is right, if people entered into marriage and relationships with a view to making them work and sticking with it rather than taking the view that relationships can be disposable and marriages are easy to get out of if they get fed up or bored of them, then maybe the world wouldn't be in the state it is now. Nobody seems to get married nowadays thinking they'll spend the rest of their life with that person, they just ditch them and call the divorce solicitors at the first hurdle. It's pathetic.
 
My mother's first marriage was pushed at her as a really good idea by her family. It ended in our family's first divorce back in the early 1940s, not so much in disgrace as in horror that she didn't have a baby by her husband (who'd already thrown her across the room and dislocated her jaw, and smashed a glass door with his fist to prove his lurve for her), because 'it'll be better then'. She had dated - and I mean dated, not shacked up with - him from age 16 to 20 and hadn't got a clue about a loving sexual relationship. She said she thought it was something you 'did' on high days and holidays, after a candlelit dinner and bunches of roses.

What she felt most strongly about was that young women should know what marriage entailed in every respect, and that while divorce was by no means a pleasant option, neither should it be some sort of stigma - especially as it was seen as such until comparatively recent times. She knew there was no way she'd continue to live with a man she just had no physical attraction to - he had been great fun, a good friend, a super guy to go out and about with, and that's how she'd wanted to leave it, but thanks to too much pressure, she went ahead with a marriage she felt very unsure about. What she also definitely knew was that no amount of reproducing babies was going to make her feel better about the relationship, and she felt it was best to cut those ties, so that at least one of them would get a better chance at happiness. In the event, both went on to marry other people - very much more in tune, and very much happier.

I agree with Shadow, Euro, and Tracks in all respects - divorce shouldn't be seen as the option you might want when you marry, as if marriage was just a try-out for future nuptials, but at the same time, there's no point to continuing with an unworkably poor relationship. By all means give it a damn good go, but when it's really hopeless, then say goodbye. The old maxim of staying together for the sake of the kids never fooled anyone's children, and I'm sure they'd rather not have been brought up in a noxious atmosphere. My father's grandfather and grandma didn't speak to each other for 8 years - they left brief notes in lieu of real communication. One can only wonder how their children enjoyed that sort of 'happy marriage'!
 
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Totally! But it's a fairly long response from some of us to Euro thinking X-Factor is all a load of crap, and that it doesn't represent good role models for young people, etc., etc. It'll swing back round, Harry, I promise!
 
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