Monday 29th April

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Monday 29th April



So, the NH season, for me, has concluded.

All in all, it’s been close to a disaster, to be honest. Firstly, the biblical amounts of rain that’s visited these Isles has been staggering with any amount of attritional conditions, abandonments non-runners. Boggy ground is ok if it comes along every now and then but every day and it’s a no. After all, there are many horses that just won’t act on it and I suppose the effects will be suffered by the punter next season, if we get a reasonable number of good or G/Sft meetings; many will come back having underperformed this term and will probably surprise many by much improved performances.

Next, I will say, as I have written on these boards before, that the NH sport seems to be in perilous danger. The anti-cruelty lobby has never been stronger and I’m guessing that there are a good few punters who leave the discipline alone on principle and stick to the flat. Public opinion being what it is, I would think that many potential sponsors would not want their products associated NH racing either.

The bookmakers seem to have won all the battles and the war itself against British racing and its governing body, the British Horseracing Association (BHA). Of course, it suits all rapacious businesses to base themselves in tax havens. As such, a company like Bet365, for instance, can afford to shirk on their contribution to British racing. Naturally, they will raise their hands in horror at such a statement, proclaiming that they support the sport enormously with their sponsorship of racing. Hmmmm…

Equally, they will, I’m sure, trumpet loudly “What we do is within the law” Yeah but hmmm….

I would imagine that racing sponsorship by betting companies comes at a cost in the number of races on cards and the distance those races are run over. It makes money-sense for them to sponsor more sprint races so that more races can be squeezed into the racing day, Hence, now the timing of races can often look like train timetables: the 3.12, the 4.28. It suits the bookies down to the ground to have an eight-race card where all the races are from.5f to 1m and no further. I suppose the eventual Nirvana for them would be an all-day card of twenty flat races all over 5f. Perfect. Rapid turnover, rapid profit. With that agenda, where do 2m to 4 ½ mile NH races fit in?

Then, we might ask where will racing prize money be generated? Let’s look at the Chepstow NH meeting last Thursday: Eight races with prize money ranging from £2,566.50 to £6,178.77.

In 2015 the Racehorse Owners Association survey had the annual cost for NH horses at a basic £16,325. That’s ten years ago and didn’t include extra payments: transport to races, racing expenses: for the stable staff and the trainer, jockey fee (2015 - £221.28), percentage of winning stakes: approx. 10% to both winning jockey and trainer, pre / out of training fees, farrier, vet, physio, dentist, gallop fees, clipping, supplements/wormer.

So, having banged on long enough on the cost/prize money ratio, you don’t have to be a genius to realise that, after, costs, the owner of even the most valuable prize on that Chepstow card will be left with precious little. If an owner (or even trainer, come to think of it) can subsidise winning a race by gambling, who could blame them? Unfortunately, for us punters, that spells more headaches. ‘Run on their merits’? Again, Hmmm.

Once again, I’ll bang my drum on the subject of Nr’s. The number of small-field races in British racing , including NH racing, is a joke. Now, I don’t know about you but I shouldn’t imagine I’m all that different to many, many thousands of ‘average’ (no offence) punters who enjoy NH racing (or flat for that matter). We like to watch the racing, bet in small stakes and enjoy ew betting a lot; it gives us a chance to try our judgement out to see if we can spot a lively outsider that may even produce a nice profit on multiples if we can get many of the selections even placed. Over the years, I’ve managed to bet small with very little damage to my pocket when enjoying my sport. Mostly that has been down to Ew betting. Over recent times, that advantage has been smashed into by smaller and smaller fields. Come on, how many times do we see 8,9,10,11,12 horse fields decimated down just 6 or 7 runners? Quite often we’ll strike our bets when the place terms are 1-2-3 but by post-time we are looking at 6 or seven runners giving an ew on only the first two. Then, even if your horse is lucky enough to win, you get hit by the R4 deduction.: rubbing your face in it. A lot of the time, the horse I fancy to get in the first three does indeed finish third but, after the Nr’s, it’s a a losing bet.

You know, I’ll stop there without even mentioning why the BHA and the government don’t levy a proportionate tax/cost on betting companies, why we don’t look to the Irish or French models of prize money, why we have summer jumps meetings, why so many racecourses.

I know this piece has been a marathon and I could quite understand why any reader might have stopped reading halfway through, but I suppose I’ve written just to see if anyone thinks like me, has the same concerns. No one in the public realm of broadcasting seems to be prepared to ask the questions, call people to account, seem even bothered. Where’s the Martin Lewis of racing?! Maybe I’m the only one who cares about such things. If so, so be it, but at least I’ve put it out there to see if anyone agrees or differs. And to vent my frustration and sadness at the current predicament British NH racing finds itself in.

Tomorrow, I swear, I’ll be back to what I usually do.

If you’ve made it to this point, thanks for reading.👍
 
Monday 29th April



So, the NH season, for me, has concluded.

All in all, it’s been close to a disaster, to be honest. Firstly, the biblical amounts of rain that’s visited these Isles has been staggering with any amount of attritional conditions, abandonments non-runners. Boggy ground is ok if it comes along every now and then but every day and it’s a no. After all, there are many horses that just won’t act on it and I suppose the effects will be suffered by the punter next season, if we get a reasonable number of good or G/Sft meetings; many will come back having underperformed this term and will probably surprise many by much improved performances.

Next, I will say, as I have written on these boards before, that the NH sport seems to be in perilous danger. The anti-cruelty lobby has never been stronger and I’m guessing that there are a good few punters who leave the discipline alone on principle and stick to the flat. Public opinion being what it is, I would think that many potential sponsors would not want their products associated NH racing either.

The bookmakers seem to have won all the battles and the war itself against British racing and its governing body, the British Horseracing Association (BHA). Of course, it suits all rapacious businesses to base themselves in tax havens. As such, a company like Bet365, for instance, can afford to shirk on their contribution to British racing. Naturally, they will raise their hands in horror at such a statement, proclaiming that they support the sport enormously with their sponsorship of racing. Hmmmm…

Equally, they will, I’m sure, trumpet loudly “What we do is within the law” Yeah but hmmm….

I would imagine that racing sponsorship by betting companies comes at a cost in the number of races on cards and the distance those races are run over. It makes money-sense for them to sponsor more sprint races so that more races can be squeezed into the racing day, Hence, now the timing of races can often look like train timetables: the 3.12, the 4.28. It suits the bookies down to the ground to have an eight-race card where all the races are from.5f to 1m and no further. I suppose the eventual Nirvana for them would be an all-day card of twenty flat races all over 5f. Perfect. Rapid turnover, rapid profit. With that agenda, where do 2m to 4 ½ mile NH races fit in?

Then, we might ask where will racing prize money be generated? Let’s look at the Chepstow NH meeting last Thursday: Eight races with prize money ranging from £2,566.50 to £6,178.77.

In 2015 the Racehorse Owners Association survey had the annual cost for NH horses at a basic £16,325. That’s ten years ago and didn’t include extra payments: transport to races, racing expenses: for the stable staff and the trainer, jockey fee (2015 - £221.28), percentage of winning stakes: approx. 10% to both winning jockey and trainer, pre / out of training fees, farrier, vet, physio, dentist, gallop fees, clipping, supplements/wormer.

So, having banged on long enough on the cost/prize money ratio, you don’t have to be a genius to realise that, after, costs, the owner of even the most valuable prize on that Chepstow card will be left with precious little. If an owner (or even trainer, come to think of it) can subsidise winning a race by gambling, who could blame them? Unfortunately, for us punters, that spells more headaches. ‘Run on their merits’? Again, Hmmm.

Once again, I’ll bang my drum on the subject of Nr’s. The number of small-field races in British racing , including NH racing, is a joke. Now, I don’t know about you but I shouldn’t imagine I’m all that different to many, many thousands of ‘average’ (no offence) punters who enjoy NH racing (or flat for that matter). We like to watch the racing, bet in small stakes and enjoy ew betting a lot; it gives us a chance to try our judgement out to see if we can spot a lively outsider that may even produce a nice profit on multiples if we can get many of the selections even placed. Over the years, I’ve managed to bet small with very little damage to my pocket when enjoying my sport. Mostly that has been down to Ew betting. Over recent times, that advantage has been smashed into by smaller and smaller fields. Come on, how many times do we see 8,9,10,11,12 horse fields decimated down just 6 or 7 runners? Quite often we’ll strike our bets when the place terms are 1-2-3 but by post-time we are looking at 6 or seven runners giving an ew on only the first two. Then, even if your horse is lucky enough to win, you get hit by the R4 deduction.: rubbing your face in it. A lot of the time, the horse I fancy to get in the first three does indeed finish third but, after the Nr’s, it’s a a losing bet.

You know, I’ll stop there without even mentioning why the BHA and the government don’t levy a proportionate tax/cost on betting companies, why we don’t look to the Irish or French models of prize money, why we have summer jumps meetings, why so many racecourses.

I know this piece has been a marathon and I could quite understand why any reader might have stopped reading halfway through, but I suppose I’ve written just to see if anyone thinks like me, has the same concerns. No one in the public realm of broadcasting seems to be prepared to ask the questions, call people to account, seem even bothered. Where’s the Martin Lewis of racing?! Maybe I’m the only one who cares about such things. If so, so be it, but at least I’ve put it out there to see if anyone agrees or differs. And to vent my frustration and sadness at the current predicament British NH racing finds itself in.

Tomorrow, I swear, I’ll be back to what I usually do.

If you’ve made it to this point, thanks for reading.👍
Hello yorick, nice to speak to you.
People who know me, especially ones from the forum i used to go on, would think that i was you or you were me. I have written the very same thing over and over again in the past.
I think the only thing i would have done different in that post was really go to town on the BHA. The most incompetent (dis)organisation on this planet.
Experience tells me not to dwell too much on them. Its very bad for my blood pressure.

Have a good day.
 
Hi,

Agree with most of it, but a tad unfair to single out B365. So far as I know they are based in Stoke-on-Trent and in addition the Coates family pay an enormous amount of tax, seemingly never seeking to fiddle it.

The Coates family, including Denise, John and Peter Coates – Bet365's co-chief executives and chairman – paid £375.9m in tax. This was down from the £460.2m that was reported in the 2023 list. Denise Coates is the richest self-made woman in the UK, launching Bet365 from a car park in Stoke-on-Trent.

So far as I can see everyone is dancing to the bookmakers tune, including us punters who just have to grunt in the face of restrictions, closed accounts, etc etc since we have no option but to accept those unfair restraints to our “business”. If they were in any other business they would be up in court for restraint of trade.

I think the BHA have to take their sport back and start prioritising what is best for it.

Cheers
 
Hiya Bj.

I get what you're saying about Denise Coates (DC) but I think it's important to separate her as a tax-paying citizen and her role as CEO of Bet 365.

Yes, she pays 375.9m in personal tax, great, but that tax goes into the exchequer for the government to spend on whatever they decide to; it's not ring-fenced for racing, neither should it be.

However, her the role of head of that company needs to be seen as something apart. Bet365 are based in the tax haven of Gibraltar, as a way of paying less tax (legally) than they would do if they were based in the UK. They are not the only bookmakers who use legal niceties like this.

The real point, to me, is that there are companies who make vast profits from betting on British racing yet British racing is, comparatively, a pauper. In response to what you are saying Quixall Crocket (QC) , those who run the product, the BHA, have, for years undersold their fantastic product so that those who profit from it are able to do so without paying a proper market price for it.

I agree with you, CC: the BHA have been craven, terrified of standing firm and demanding that those who make such vast sums from the racing product should pay a fair rate for it. That would be the way to generate proper profits for racing so that this fantastic industry can thrive. For years, it seems, racing has held out a begging bowl when trying to generate a levy for the product they are selling. Instead, we see the BHA trumpeting the vast amounts of money that is generated by selling their race cards overseas when, really the amount is paltry compared to what the industry should be making. No, it's sell the race cards overseas and then introduce the 48 hour decs so they can have time for those race cards to be printed and distributed overseas. Result? A kick in the teeth for punters who are faced, through the 48 decs scheme, to face a tranche of Nr's to spoil the average punters' planning and marring our enjoyment of the sport. For goodness sake we are the customers. But why should that matter?

Please don't think I'm having a go at you BJ. I hope, in making my points, I don't, in any way, want to come across as abrasive. I welcome your comments, mate; discussing our grievances with the current state of the racing industry is the only way forward. I just wish someone with clout would actually voice these concerns forcefully so that you we, the punters, the customers, are properly represented.
 
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Hello yorick, nice to speak to you.
People who know me, especially ones from the forum i used to go on, would think that i was you or you were me. I have written the very same thing over and over again in the past.
I think the only thing i would have done different in that post was really go to town on the BHA. The most incompetent (dis)organisation on this planet.
Experience tells me not to dwell too much on them. Its very bad for my blood pressure.

Have a good day.
Great to hear from you, too.

I have, recently, emailed the BHA on several occasions, asking them to send me details of a comparison between the number of nr's over a period of 5 years prior to the change in the dec rules to the figures now. I asked them, too, to give details of the number of nr's where 'going' was cited as a reason: no reply. I might as well whistle up my arse, to be honest, mate.
 
I don’t disagree, yo, except to say that I think the job of the BHA is to facilitate a sport - not to sell a product. I appreciate that it can be argued that it is much the same thing, but the difference in emphasis does set the tone. To use the example of the 48hr declarations where it is pretty clear that the reason was to make a few bob (as you say) and not to better facilitate the lot of trainers and others.
 
Yeah, cheers for the response, Beej.

My question would be: if it's not the job of he BHA to promote the best interests and health of the sport, whose job is it? The ministry for culture? Somebody needs to look after he welfare of the racing industry. Perhaps it is those who sell the TV rights. Who are they, what is their purpose and who controls them?

I know that racing is by no means as popular as football but the revenues accrued by selling TV rights generates enormous income for football. I wonder how the betting firms' income would be affected if they couldn't screen racing.

Just asking, really and putting it out there.
 
FYI:

Racecourse Media Group is to pay racecourses £117.6 million in payments generated from their media and data rights in 2022.
The revenues come from a variety of sources, including including via betting shops (Racecourse Retail Business), online bookmaker streams (Digital Streaming), pay TV channel (Racing TV), international betting (Racing TV International) and non-betting distribution, mainstream TV (ITV agreement) and data (Racecourse Data Company).e

Racecourse Media Group Ltd (RMG) is the holding company responsible for a range of media rights management businesses involving the following racecourses (the shareholders): Aintree, Ayr, Beverley, Carlisle, Cartmel, Catterick Bridge, Cheltenham, Epsom Downs, Exeter, Fakenham, Goodwood, Hamilton Park, Haydock Park, Huntingdon, Kelso, Kempton Park, Leicester, Ludlow, Market Rasen, Musselburgh, Newmarket, Nottingham, Perth, Pontefract, Redcar, Salisbury, Sandown Park, Stratford-on-Avon, Taunton, Thirsk, Warwick, Wetherby, Wincanton and York.

RMG​

RMG is 100% owned by its racecourse shareholders, giving our racecourses complete control over the commercialisation of their media and data rights

My assertion, in that case, is that the shareholders and RMG are underselling the product, surely. Am I wrong?
 
PS. Sorry if I'm banging on. As I say, I post this for anyone who's interested.

Normal service will be resumed asap . I promise😇
 
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Isnt Bet 365 the biggest employer in stoke .dont they employ about 3000

I'm going to google that.

Over 5000 now.
 
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Great to hear from you, too.

I have, recently, emailed the BHA on several occasions, asking them to send me details of a comparison between the number of nr's over a period of 5 years prior to the change in the dec rules to the figures now. I asked them, too, to give details of the number of nr's where 'going' was cited as a reason: no reply. I might as well whistle up my arse, to be honest, mate.
Join the club mate. I have emailed them on many occasions and, like yourself, have really just wasted my time. I rang them one day and got thru to one of their heads of department who passed me on to one of his grunts. What a waste of time that was. The head may as well have passed me on to Rihanna for all the use he was.
I dont bother any more.
 
PS. Sorry if I'm banging on. As I say, I post this for anyone who's interested.

Normal service will be resumed asap . I promise😇
We are all interested mate. But you have to bear in mind that times have (unfortunately) changed. I'm sorry to say it but racing rates itself too highly now. You are very, very passionate about the sport, that is easy to see. And so am i. It has provided me with a living for most of my working life and a lifetime of enjoyment. And that goes for many people on here and punters all over the country.
You say that we need to "generate proper profits so that this fantastic industry can thrive". But racing is not in the lofty position it was years ago and is well down the pecking order when it comes to bookmaker priorities. Football is more important to them. Those damn FOBTS are more important. The dangerous and addictive casinos are more important to them. Racing, to some people in the industry, is just nuisance value. It is not the sport of kings any more. Thousands of people dont flock to the tracks like they used to in the "good old days". You know yourself that many midweek crowds are usually in the 400-600 range. And the all weather crowds even less and on some occasions are in double figures only. The Saturday crowds pick up but are many of those people who go on Saturdays racegoers ? REAL racegoers ?? We know the answer and it is why a lot of regular racegoers wont go on a Saturday.
The interest is dying. The phrase i hate most, and we hear it fairly often when the obscene food and drinks prices are discussed is "We are comparable with other major sporting events" ! What an absolute load of tosh !! Is today at "Catterick a major sporting event" ? Or tomorrow at Brighton ? Or Thursday at Redcar ? But you can bet your bottom dollar that you will pay far, far more for your food and drink at those venues than anywhere outside of those tracks.
Racing needs to take a bloody good look at itself and not thru the rose tinted glasses it usually uses. It is a great sport but it is woefully run and definitely values itself too highly.
I could go on and on but i'll leave it at that for now.
 
Yeah, cheers for the response, Beej.

My question would be: if it's not the job of he BHA to promote the best interests and health of the sport, whose job is it? The ministry for culture? Somebody needs to look after he welfare of the racing industry. Perhaps it is those who sell the TV rights. Who are they, what is their purpose and who controls them?

I know that racing is by no means as popular as football but the revenues accrued by selling TV rights generates enormous income for football. I wonder how the betting firms' income would be affected if they couldn't screen racing.

Just asking, really and putting it out there.
That’s what I was trying to say. Promoting the best interests and health of the sport is their job and - in my mind at least - that has a very different emphasis to selling the product.
 
That’s what I was trying to say. Promoting the best interests and health of the sport is their job and - in my mind at least - that has a very different emphasis to selling the product.
Yes, I take your point, although I would say that both parties would obviously need to liaise with each other to enact the best outcome.

Cheers Beej
 
We are all interested mate. But you have to bear in mind that times have (unfortunately) changed. I'm sorry to say it but racing rates itself too highly now. You are very, very passionate about the sport, that is easy to see. And so am i. It has provided me with a living for most of my working life and a lifetime of enjoyment. And that goes for many people on here and punters all over the country.
You say that we need to "generate proper profits so that this fantastic industry can thrive". But racing is not in the lofty position it was years ago and is well down the pecking order when it comes to bookmaker priorities. Football is more important to them. Those damn FOBTS are more important. The dangerous and addictive casinos are more important to them. Racing, to some people in the industry, is just nuisance value. It is not the sport of kings any more. Thousands of people dont flock to the tracks like they used to in the "good old days". You know yourself that many midweek crowds are usually in the 400-600 range. And the all weather crowds even less and on some occasions are in double figures only. The Saturday crowds pick up but are many of those people who go on Saturdays racegoers ? REAL racegoers ?? We know the answer and it is why a lot of regular racegoers wont go on a Saturday.
The interest is dying. The phrase i hate most, and we hear it fairly often when the obscene food and drinks prices are discussed is "We are comparable with other major sporting events" ! What an absolute load of tosh !! Is today at "Catterick a major sporting event" ? Or tomorrow at Brighton ? Or Thursday at Redcar ? But you can bet your bottom dollar that you will pay far, far more for your food and drink at those venues than anywhere outside of those tracks.
Racing needs to take a bloody good look at itself and not thru the rose tinted glasses it usually uses. It is a great sport but it is woefully run and definitely values itself too highly.
I could go on and on but i'll leave it at that for now.
Really pleased to read your response, QC. It's so gratifying to see all the writing on this from everyone.

You write lucidly and cogently about where you think racing stands in terms of its public profile and you are right, of course. I don't dismiss, for a second, that I may be prone to view racing with a fondness through age-distorted, fuzzy racing binoculars. You are correct to sharply focus upon how the sport has changed, diminished, in the live setting. Yes, attendances have dropped, especially for the workaday fixtures at smaller tracks. At the moment, it's a tired old live brand. Certainly, in that context, in no way maintaining its former 'lofty position'.

However, I might counter by writing that yes, it's a different age now but with a different viewer base. We very much live in 'streaming' times and I would argue that racing needs to respond to that. There is a huge market for televised, streamed viewing. Just look at how younger generations consume: my daughter is locked to her screen, non-stop, it would seem. The age of the web 'influencers' is here and we shouldn't underestimate the revenue power, if it can be fostered and developed, of on-line watching.

I can say that although many very rarely attend race meetings, they will look at streamed races every single day. That certainly is true of me and, I daresay, many on this website (but stand to be corrected on that), who absolutely adore not only NH racing but racing in general. That's where the audience is. You say that bookies are sniffy about the 'nuisance' of horse racing. I would suggest that times have indeed changed, now that the age of high street bookies has passed. That doesn't mean that the 'new way' of viewing isn't popular. I would be fascinated, absolutely fascinated, to know where racing stands, statistically, in the league of on-line bookmaker profit charts. Do you have any current figures? Am I wrong in thinking that horse racing is still capable of generating massive on-line turnover?

Anyway, if we accept that online is reality, those who run the sport should find a way of, perhaps, using live, racecourse attendance as a sort of 'loss - leader': something to attract viewers through the gate so that, even if they're not there principally for the racing, the spectacle or fun of 'having a flutter' might just rub off on them and attract more future online revenue.

I'm an amateur who doesn't have a clue, as is obvious, but what I am sure about is that we need a new set of commercial eyes that can analyse and respond to the changing racing world and garner its strengths to save our sport from becoming merely lapdogs, thrown scraps from the online bookmakers' high table.

I can't overestimate how pleasing it is to exchange views on the subject, Chaps and I hope those who have not contributed might have enjoyed the exchanges. :thumbsup: 👍👌
 
Really pleased to read your response, QC. It's so gratifying to see all the writing on this from everyone.

You write lucidly and cogently about where you think racing stands in terms of its public profile and you are right, of course. I don't dismiss, for a second, that I may be prone to view racing with a fondness through age-distorted, fuzzy racing binoculars. You are correct to sharply focus upon how the sport has changed, diminished, in the live setting. Yes, attendances have dropped, especially for the workaday fixtures at smaller tracks. At the moment, it's a tired old live brand. Certainly, in that context, in no way maintaining its former 'lofty position'.

However, I might counter by writing that yes, it's a different age now but with a different viewer base. We very much live in 'streaming' times and I would argue that racing needs to respond to that. There is a huge market for televised, streamed viewing. Just look at how younger generations consume: my daughter is locked to her screen, non-stop, it would seem. The age of the web 'influencers' is here and we shouldn't underestimate the revenue power, if it can be fostered and developed, of on-line watching.

I can say that although many very rarely attend race meetings, they will look at streamed races every single day. That certainly is true of me and, I daresay, many on this website (but stand to be corrected on that), who absolutely adore not only NH racing but racing in general. That's where the audience is. You say that bookies are sniffy about the 'nuisance' of horse racing. I would suggest that times have indeed changed, now that the age of high street bookies has passed. That doesn't mean that the 'new way' of viewing isn't popular. I would be fascinated, absolutely fascinated, to know where racing stands, statistically, in the league of on-line bookmaker profit charts. Do you have any current figures? Am I wrong in thinking that horse racing is still capable of generating massive on-line turnover?

Anyway, if we accept that online is reality, those who run the sport should find a way of, perhaps, using live, racecourse attendance as a sort of 'loss - leader': something to attract viewers through the gate so that, even if they're not there principally for the racing, the spectacle or fun of 'having a flutter' might just rub off on them and attract more future online revenue.

I'm an amateur who doesn't have a clue, as is obvious, but what I am sure about is that we need a new set of commercial eyes that can analyse and respond to the changing racing world and garner its strengths to save our sport from becoming merely lapdogs, thrown scraps from the online bookmakers' high table.

I can't overestimate how pleasing it is to exchange views on the subject, Chaps and I hope those who have not contributed might have enjoyed the exchanges. :thumbsup: 👍👌
Good stuff mate. A post that should invite views on this from various punters/racegoers but more importantly, different age groups.
But i'm gonna put a bit of a dampener on it. Apologies. I just DONT SEE the younger generation getting involved, getting interested, getting hooked, like we all did in our younger days. For starters, there is so munch more competition for the "leisure pound" these days than compared to "our day". And when i started punting, football betting was still banned after the Peter Swan, Bronco Layne scandal. But nowadays it is the sport of choice for the younger brigade with all these matches taking place every minute of the day, all over the world, and with all the betting opportunities they bring. Do they really want to focus their attention on the five and a half furlong maiden at Brighton at 3.00 ????? Of course they dont. They have no interest whatsoever.
You were probably like me, and many others on here, back in the day when we were too young to go in the betting shop and we would stand outside and getting some old biddy to put our bets on. There used to be six or seven of us, most nicking off school, and no matter which bookies you passed you would see them loitering outside.
You dont see that these days. In fact, you dont see anyone INSIDE the shops these days.
I know where you are coming from and it would be nice if it worked out. But for starters, arent we many years too late. Racing, courtesy of the BHA, is always way behind in everything.
And who would we get to initiate all this ? Who is there out there ? Definitely not any of the gravy train riders. Most of them only look out for themselves. And the rest would have as much clue as next doors dog !!
My view, and this is solely my view, is that the young ones of today do not look at racing as we all did 30, 40, 50, 60 years ago. The odd one or two perhaps. But to them, it is somewhere to go on a Saturday with their best bib and tucker on and enjoy an afternoon of (very expensive) drinking. And the "fun" that goes with it. :(
And thats why everyone i know refuses to go racing on a Saturday.

I'll probably come across as a whinging old git. My missus calls me it often enough anyway. But that is how i view things. I would love for your idea to work and have a positive effect. Sadly................................
 
Thanks, you old scroat haha!

No, really good to see what you think, mate. I hate to think, though, that racing will go to the dogs or rather, like the dogs. Six animals racing around on cat litter in an empty stadium. Pick a number - any number. Result - next race- result - next race- result - next race ad nauseam.

Thrilling.😴
 
My grandson couldn’t give a fig about racing until I took him to Newbury when he got close up to horses in the parade ring and then became transfixed on the rail as they thundered past him. Horses are proud and imposing beasts, but you have to be there to appreciate it and to feel the excitement in the air as they strain to win.

Betting? He didn’t know what that was as he kept badgering me to take him racing. So that’s what the BHA need to keep in mind - remembering that the beating heart of the sport is the horse and the racing competition. Not betting.
 
A really interesting discussion, guys! Very much enjoying reading your posts.

I’m more involved hand on now within the Point to Point sector and recently we’ve had a new CEO appointment. I had interviewed him a few months ago when his horse won but had a chance to chat properly at a recent meeting. A real breath of fresh air and hugely excited about the job which he wants to prioritise promotion of the sport. This is a big plus in my eyes as we’re so often forgotten about. Irish Pointing is heralded as so many young horse come from it and it’s a breeding ground for future champions but then it’s bank rolled so it’s a different ball game. Pointing in the UK may well change after a change of government but there are steps in place to protect and grow the sport if this happens.
 
My grandson couldn’t give a fig about racing until I took him to Newbury when he got close up to horses in the parade ring and then became transfixed on the rail as they thundered past him. Horses are proud and imposing beasts, but you have to be there to appreciate it and to feel the excitement in the air as they strain to win.

Betting? He didn’t know what that was as he kept badgering me to take him racing. So that’s what the BHA need to keep in mind - remembering that the beating heart of the sport is the horse and the racing competition. Not betting.
Good on you barjon, a follower for the future.
Number one priority is the horses. But there has to be betting. Without betting there is no racing. And the vast majority of owners like a bet. And without owners there is no racing. The game doesnt survive without punters and owners. And who are the two groups that get shit on most ?????
We all know who. :confused:
 
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