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walsworth

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Are there any new members joining?

It seems to me that we are all talking amongst ourselves with no injection of new blood to strengthen the line.

I rarely post now because my interest is more concerned with betting in the lower class races, 4, 5 & 6.
 
I'm similar to you in my betting walsworth so whilst I look in I've rarely posted.

Guess you'll just have to smile and grin at the change all around:whistle:
 
Someone said to me a few years back, think it may have been Colin actually, that forums were dying out. It's just one of those things, and it's not like newbies aren't welcome.

The forum gets plenty viewers. There's almost an element of public service involved in posting on public forums, and it's not for everyone.
 
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Yes, I think if we did a survey of the regular posters on here, the average age would be fairly high - much more so than X. I think the format of a forum suits us oldies more.
 
Yes, I think if we did a survey of the regular posters on here, the average age would be fairly high - much more so than X. I think the format of a forum suits us oldies more.

True, and we talk more sense most of the time while using real words.
 
To think I started posting on horse racing forums aged just 20, it's no wonder I talked so much shite!
 
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I suspect a lot of it is down to generally reducing interest in horse racing (betting). The youngsters just aren't getting into it in the same way we did from age 14 upwards. So there are a lot less punters looking for extra sources of info and engagement. Plus any youngsters that do get involved are more likely to get drawn to Reddit, Twitter, Telegram, Quora etc.

But re the point about forums (I mean the TH type of forums) specifically - yes they've gradually been dying for a number of years. Reasons, I think, are several-fold and to varying degrees; the availability (and growth) of the aforementioned alternatives, the effort it takes for someone to run them balanced against the return they might get (ie if it's not making money, then it has to be more of a labour of love), and a general reduction of forum (TH type of forum) visibility in search engines.

That labour of love point is likely the main reason TalkingHorses is still reasonably well-trafficked. Colin left a legacy that was clearly built from his own love. It's the deep interest/love of the membership (or at least the stalwarts) in the subject that keep it going. We don't have to find it, we know it.

Interestingly, there's stuff going on in the search engines (Google, in particular) that could see a gradual resurgence in forum visibility.

What's happening (or at least is heavily contributing) is that the internet is getting flooded with AI-written content. While good, and in many cases being accurate and information-rich, the search engines can't 'police' the volumes effectively. If they can't police effectively, they run the risk of putting stuff that's not trustworthy in front of eyeballs. This will eventually affect their bottom line (ie their profits). So, how to counteract? They start showing more real user-generated search results, where they know that what they're showing is unlikely to have been created by AI. Real words from real people, based on real experiences. It's 'safe' stuff for Google to show. And, in many cases, it's useful for searchers.

Already, in the last few months, threads on Reddit and Quora have seen massive (and I mean massive) increases in search engine visibility. It's not a hard stretch to see that visibility increase extending to the more independent types of forums on an increased scale, which might then drive more visitors and, hopefully, contributing members. Lots could happen that might interfere with that vision, but there is some element of hope.
 
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Racing needs to realise its not that popular outside the racing bubble. None of my circle would be aware of nijinsky or galileo unless I told them. Only red rum,shergar and dessie registered with folk. Loads more youngsters into basketball, and football of course you can bet on virtually anything. I do worry how racing will look when I'm a doddery old git.
 
Whatever the worries, this place has survived for 20+ years in various guises and has emerged, generally, as a community of friends. When I first saw the C4 discussion board on ~2000 it was like walking naked in a safari park. These days I feel safer here, in an enclosed world or forum, than the meat markets of FB, Twatter, etc.

Long may we continue.
 
Oh Lordy, the channel 4 one was nuts - I wonder what I’d have thought of it if I joined now rather than way back when…

Sometimes life just happens doesn’t it - as already said, these days the younger generations want instant gratification and you don’t really get that with racing, sports like basketball are far more viewer friendly.

This place has been around for a long time - it’s settling from the deaths of two of its biggest people in the last year and a bit and having new admin take over. Nothing lasts forever, but this place isn’t down and out just yet :)


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I can never see the point of being abusive on line. It is never going to go down well. Everybody is entitled to their opinion. Just be decent about it. Always enjoy coming on here. Welcoming,as it should be. We all love racing after all.
 
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Oh Lordy, the channel 4 one was nuts - I wonder what I’d have thought of it if I joined now rather than way back when…

Sometimes life just happens doesn’t it - as already said, these days the younger generations want instant gratification and you don’t really get that with racing, sports like basketball are far more viewer friendly.

This place has been around for a long time - it’s settling from the deaths of two of its biggest people in the last year and a bit and having new admin take over. Nothing lasts forever, but this place isn’t down and out just yet :)


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It's a regular feature that tips on here shorten up in the betting.
Be nice if some that avail themselves were more active on the forum itsellf and
new contributers would be very welcome.
 
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“Avail themselves” in what way? Nobody in their right mind wants my tips - or are you saying that people shouldn’t come in here if they aren’t tipping? Not terribly inclusive if so..


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First line of my post is fact and can be easily checked in the markets each day.
Don't know why you'd see the rest as negative,it certainly wasn't my intention?
 
I never take notice of anyone's tips, quite capable of finding my own losers thank you.

The majority of horses shorten anyway, I would be very doubtful if being tipped on here has any effect on the market.
 
That was my thinking walsworth - most horses shorten during the course of the day, it’s not something that happens just because someone on here has put it up as a tip!

As for “ seeing the post as a negative” - you quoted mine and made comments implying that people only take the tips and don’t comment - not sure why you felt the need to single me out, but I hope you feel better for it. You’d know if I ever start backing anything I see put up here - they’d all start losing!! [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]


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I never take notice of anyone's tips, quite capable of finding my own losers thank you.

The majority of horses shorten anyway, I would be very doubtful if being tipped on here has any effect on the market.
Been checking for a while,and I know it's true - probably on other forums,also.
Simple to verify,too.
 
Someone said to me a few years back, think it may have been Colin actually, that forums were dying out.
Generally speaking, what with the subsequent advent of Facebook, Twitter/X, Instagram, TikTok etc, I'd say this is true and each generation wants its own new social media platform to differentiate itself from its predecessor.

But when you get a forum as well designed and with such an array of functionality as this one, I'd say there is still a place for them - it's about as modern a social media platform (though in forum form) as you can get in many respects.

And THAT green....
 
I was only thinking yesterday about the newspapers I kept that had Red Rum and Dessie as front page news when they died. That would never happen now ( other than when I horse dies tragically in a race that the very same newspaper is offering free bets and an office sweepstake on its back pages).
 
I'd agree Ian. There's a place for all of them. Twitter is very limited in what it can do, and doesn't really allow any kind of discussion. Just brief comments. Some will say that's fine, that's all they want. To different degrees the other forms of social media are the same really.

Forums allow discussion, and if someone is really into something, a specialist forum is a much better platform to get involved. Everything is there and easily found, rather than in all four corners of the twitterverse like chip paper never to be seen again.

There's a reason TH, TRF, and Fat Jockey survive and continue, and that's because they are frequented by the people who are really into it, and aren't bothered about fans, clicks, likes, and subscribers, and all that rubbish. The forums are communities, which social media just isn't.

Many of us on here have interacted for a very long time. Some of us have met away from here. Some people have become long term friends. I have so many racing friends myself because of more than 20 years on TH, plus my previous (long since gone) abode Neigh (anyone remember Roy Waterhouse?), which I joined what must be getting close to 30 years ago as the first member. And several on here I know from both. People who have not just been racing friends, but genuine close friends now for 20 years or more. That would never have happened if my thing had been Social Media.

By comparison, under a different name (Spectre), I do Twitter, I do Podcasts, and I even did a Preview Evening at Towcester Racecourse this year, and many people come up to me when I'm racing and say hello. But I just find it a bit awkward. I'm happy to have a chat, but that's the extent of it really. It's just not the same. It would never be a conversation where I'd be be talking to someone regularly to like we do on here, and not someone who would ever become a genuine racing buddy, or friend.

There's no doubt though that the average age of us will be much higher than that of the people who thrive on racing's version of social media. I do think though that there comes a time when the younger generation, as they get more into it, find there way to the forums because as they grow up and mature they want more and better, rather than short and often not so sweet. And that for me is why the forums like Talking Horses will always survive. The key is keeping the platforms fresh, current, and easy to use from all devices, which is precisely what Brian has done for us. Post the end of the jumps season this place typically gets a bit quieter, so now we've had our refresh and the site will be found easily via google searches, it'll be interesting to see who is posting in the summer months, and it'll be even more interesting to see how traffic picks up from October onwards which is the time this place had typically thrived.

All I know is this is so much better than what we had, and it has already meant that we have seen a number of long lost friends starting to reappear, plus a few new registrations too. Hopefully things will now continue to pick up and we'll start to thrive again.
 
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