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Race IQ Data

granger

granger

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What are you lot making of this?

I think overall it's good to see innovation with regards to coverage.

Racing TV have gone a bit overboard with it for every race imo.

Interested to hear some forumites thoughts on the accuracy/use/enjoyment of it.
 
I'm going to sound like a right misery guts - and a broken record - but my honest view on this is as follows....

1 Anything that appears in the public domain is not a sustainable betting edge as everyone can see it and the betting market will soon adjust and extinguish any value in what it throws up.

2 Take it from someone who has worked in the racing media, people work lifelong in the racing media - as opposed to becoming professional punters - for a reason: they're simply not good enough to make their betting pay long term.

The secret is to find your own edges - then tell literally no one about them....ever.
 
Aside from his photo-finish trick Alex Bird said his edge was that he worked harder at it than anyone else. Has it the ability to win, is it ready to win, are the conditions right for it to win.
 
barjon said:
Aside from his photo-finish trick Alex Bird said his edge was that he worked harder at it than anyone else. Has it the ability to win, is it ready to win, are the conditions right for it to win.
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Is it ready to win? That's what we would all like to know.
 
From what I’ve seen it’s quite good for correcting or confirming what you think you’ve seem. Like the lengths lost jumping the hurdle/fence bit which seems quite a useful check on how a horse’s jumping is progressing (or not).
 
Ian_Davies said:
I'm going to sound like a right misery guts - and a broken record - but my honest view on this is as follows....

1 Anything that appears in the public domain is not a sustainable betting edge as everyone can see it and the betting market will soon adjust and extinguish any value in what it throws up.

2 Take it from someone who has worked in the racing media, people work lifelong in the racing media - as opposed to becoming professional punters - for a reason: they're simply not good enough to make their betting pay long term.

The secret is to find your own edges - then tell literally no one about them....ever. but it then boils down to interpretation of that information.
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This.

I'm all for as much hitherto unavailable info becoming widely accessible as possible bit it then boils down to how individuals interpret that information.

There's enough people out there who'll take info like 'X is 7lbs better than that performance' and expect it to find those 7lbs next time. I don't believe that's how the game plays out.

The chances are the reason it lost those 7lbs will repeat itself next time.

But that's not to diss the data; rather it;s to highlight the importance of taking everything into consideration next time.
 
There's a certain amount down to personal interpretation, but I'd say that narrows the more people there are looking at the same data.
 
So I bet on American Football and watch podcasts from guys who bet serious on the sport and American sports betting is all about the numbers. I don't think racing is like that. I think it's knowing the horses, knowing the formbook and watching as much racing as you can.

These stats I'm seeing from Racing TV after each race yesterday, the jumping stats, how do they translate to races in the future? Yesterday I backed Destroytheevidence in the novices handicap chase and to me he ran like he didn't like the track, so I'm not really interested in his IQ stats.
 
I dont personally. But you've but up a thread which raises an interesting point ....where's Granger ? He's normally appeared by now for the NH season ? Anyone heard off him is he ok ?
 
Gullible said:
Does anybody on here use this information at all ?
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Bogus McNae gives me a pain in my bollocks. They put the data up after the novice chase. The data suggested that Be Aware jumped better than July Flower. Anyone with a pair of eyes would call bullshit on it.
 
Euronymous said:
So I bet on American Football and watch podcasts from guys who bet serious on the sport and American sports betting is all about the numbers. I don't think racing is like that. I think it's knowing the horses, knowing the formbook and watching as much racing as you can.

These stats I'm seeing from Racing TV after each race yesterday, the jumping stats, how do they translate to races in the future? Yesterday I backed Destroytheevidence in the novices handicap chase and to me he ran like he didn't like the track, so I'm not really interested in his IQ stats.
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Very good points.
 
I don't believe it's all guesswork.

It's obviously data arrived at via metrics of some sort or other but it doesn't necessarily make it important.

You take out of it as much or as little as you will.
 
Since it’s pretty difficult to see your horse at all stages of the race, I think it’s quite good for confirming (or casting doubt) on what you think you’ve seen.
 
Slim said:
Bogus McNae gives me a pain in my bollocks.
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I was once amused by a phrase used by a bloke called Vince Monical at Flutter.com (which he co founded) in 2001.

He described someone we were chatting about as being "aggressively positioned for his capabilities."

I laughed and just replied: "Is that Stanford speak for we should never have given him the job we did because he's useless?"

Vince just smiled and said nothing.

I'm not going to say Angus McNae is "aggressively positioned for his capabilities."

Nor am I going to say that he is a failed trainer because, to "fail" at anything in life, you need to have had the courage to give it a go in the first place.

But what I will say, having seen him given a shift or two on The Independent racing desk 25 years ago, is that he's done bloody well - and carved out a right result for himself - to still be in employment in the racing media all these years later.

Respect!
 

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