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Point Blank: ‘The Lads’ Have a Ryan Moore Problem

I think Soumillion will get the call for Leopardstown on the Saturday. Not sure about the Curragh the day after. Sean Levey springs to mind for the Leger. Won it last season for them. It's a blow, no doubting that. Particularly Arc weekend.
 
Slim said:
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Point Blank: ‘The Lads’ Have a Ryan Moore Problem

The biggest story in racing broke yesterday.
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The reason why I'm giving this the ultimate emoji endorsement is I had literally just arrived on this forum to start a "Moore or less?" thread about a host of horses being priced up ante-post on the assumption Ryan Moore will ride them that now won't be.

We will soon be fast approaching the ante-post outskirts of Jockey Downgrade City and, once we get downtown, even the feeblest racing or social media mind will have heard the penny drop that this alters probabilities.

Slim is ahead of the game - we don't know who rides these horses yet but, unless you're a Moore hater, you sure as Hell know that whoever takes each ride won't be an upgrade.

Of course, the market could go the other way and Ballydoyle horses could drift to value prices.

But it hasn't happened yet.

This has to be the lead story/news analysis piece in all good online Sunday papers close to you - and they don't come any better than "The Sunday Talking Horses."
 
I’ve heard that Soumillon was already contacted yesterday morning about coming over to ride for them regularly. I don’t know if this will be announced publicly or not.
 
Not saying I'm wedded to this notion, but just want to throw it out there.

Wayne Lordan has ridden four winners so far this weekend, small beer races, but he's got the job done.

If Moore was riding with a fracture for two months, did he always get the best out of his mounts?

Was Mr "Iron Man," "Made Of Concrete," as Aidan O'Brien has been saying, in pain while riding?

Only Moore knows the answer to that one, or whether he concealed anything in the ultimately vain hope of shrugging off something as yet undiagnosed that was bothering him so he could keep riding?

If that's the case, could another jockey actually do better on horses Moore rode while this issue was developing?

Or have I just had too indulgent a Sunday lunch?
 
Ian_Davies said:
Not saying I'm wedded to this notion, but just want to throw it out there.

Wayne Lordan has ridden four winners so far this weekend, small beer races, but he's got the job done.

If Moore was riding with a fracture for two months, did he always get the best out of his mounts?

Was Mr "Iron Man," "Made Of Concrete," as Aidan O'Brien has been saying, in pain while riding?

Only Moore knows the answer to that one, or whether he concealed anything in the ultimately vain hope of shrugging off something as yet undiagnosed that was bothering him so he could keep riding?

If that's the case, could another jockey actually do better on horses Moore rode while this issue was developing?

Or have I just had too indulgent a Sunday lunch?
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Aren’t most top jockeys carrying some sort of injury? Christophe Soumillon was at his strongest in France today, but one wonders how often he can go to the well like that.
 
Slim said:
Aren’t most top jockeys carrying some sort of injury?
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I'm sure that's correct, but obviously there are injuries and there are injuries.

I'm actually surprised social media isn't full of aggrieved punters ranting and asking if Moore will refund them for any narrow defeats on horses they'd backed which he rode the last couple of months now it transpires he was riding with a broken leg.

Fair comment about Soumillon - this all certainly makes the rest of the Flat season even more interesting.
 
Slim said:
I’ve heard that Soumillon was already contacted yesterday morning about coming over to ride for them regularly. I don’t know if this will be announced publicly or not.
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Racing Post: "Aidan O’Brien has revealed Christophe Soumillon will be a big part of the Ballydoyle team in the coming months while Ryan Moore is out of action with a broken leg."

Slim KNEW.^

"The Daily Talking Horses:" FIRST with the news.
 
Ombudsman not taking on Del Boy now in the Irish Champion. Being freshened up for an Autumn campaign.
 
jinnyj said:
Ombudsman not taking on Del Boy now in the Irish Champion. Being freshened up for an Autumn campaign.
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I had to look up what races they had in mind, because the ground could really go against him at Ascot. Breeders’ Cup and Japan Cup — that means going 12f. Am I being ridiculous to say this is really bad race planning? It’s really tough to place a 10f beast after the Irish Champion. He could have cemented his career at Leopardstown.
 
Slim said:
the ground could really go against him at Ascot.
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This is getting ridiculous - I was about to post that Ombudsman will be lucky to get his ground at Ascot (6/4 is dreadful).

Tbh, I can see why they wouldn't want to take on a mobhanded entry at Leopardstown,

I'd go straight for the Breeders' Cup Turf now - the horse clearly stays 1m2f110yds well and it's a tight 1m4f round Del Mar.

If he wins that, the Japan Cup becomes a free bet at the end of his career.
 
Ian_Davies said:
This is getting ridiculous - I was about to post that Ombudsman will be lucky to get his ground at Ascot (6/4 is dreadful).

Tbh, I can see why they wouldn't want to take on a mobhanded entry at Leopardstown,

I'd go straight for the Breeders' Cup Turf now - the horse clearly stays 1m2f110yds well and it's a tight 1m4f round Del Mar.

If he wins that, the Japan Cup becomes a free bet at the end of his career.
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He could end up taking on nothing at Del Mar, and of the three races that’s probably where I’d bet him. I’ve just seen he’s around 4/1–5/1 for that. I’d struggle to see him go off that price at Del Mar. It could be the race of the meeting taking on Calandagan — but didn’t they find an excuse not to run in the race last year?
 
Ian_Davies said:
This is getting ridiculous - I was about to post that Ombudsman will be lucky to get his ground at Ascot (6/4 is dreadful).

Tbh, I can see why they wouldn't want to take on a mobhanded entry at Leopardstown,

I'd go straight for the Breeders' Cup Turf now - the horse clearly stays 1m2f110yds well and it's a tight 1m4f round Del Mar.

If he wins that, the Japan Cup becomes a free bet at the end of his career.
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They could've run Birr Castle again to counteract the mob. Strange decision to me. Could've run in both Champion races + try + cement himself as 10f top dog. Obviously a Godolphin decision.
 
I do think Ombudsman is particularly ground dependant - I will be against him at Ascot if there's give in the ground, in fact if they run him in typical (in many years) Champions' Day mud they might not only get beat but leave the Breeders' Cup Turf behind in the process.

All IMO.
 
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Can someone explain why Delacroix is 12/1 for Ascot when he doesn’t have any other real target after Leopardstown? Aidan’s comments post-York and on Monday suggest he’s itching for a rematch — and make no mistake, he decides where these horses run.
 
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Can someone explain why Delacroix is 12/1 for Ascot when he doesn’t have any other real target after Leopardstown? Aidan’s comments post-York and on Monday suggest he’s itching for a rematch — and make no mistake, he decides where these horses run.
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Even bigger to small money on the machine.

It's a big price for the reasons Slim states, plus IMO if it's really Soft at Ascot I doubt Ombudsman will run, BUT Delacroix might.
 
Slim said:
Can someone explain why Delacroix is 12/1 for Ascot when he doesn’t have any other real target after Leopardstown? Aidan’s comments post-York and on Monday suggest he’s itching for a rematch — and make no mistake, he decides where these horses run.
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Ombuds,man to swerve Leopardstown.
 

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