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Jumping Whispers

barjon

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Now the flat warm up act is into its last set I can hear the star warming up in the wings sending a frisson of excitement in anticipation of THE JUMPS coming centre stage.:drink:

There will be plenty of stable tours coming, but I thought we might note anything that catches our interest and might (or might not) be worth keeping an eye on.

There seems to be a bit of chatter about Heldam who cost €110,000 at the sales and won a decent PTP at Punchestown on his only appearance so far. With Will Mullins. Latest mention was on Let’s Talk Racing which is quite an entertaining watch
 
Those two clowns on Let’s Talk Racing wouldn’t have a f$%^ing clue. They are the definition of the word SHROODS. No, I’m not anti–young people in racing, I’d just urge people not to get sucked into this level of bullshit hype for clicks. Any moron can work out on its debut that a €110k Willie Mullins purchase might be good — but for f%*&’s sake, at least see it with your eyes before you take some stupid ante-post price for Cheltenham. I’ve found over the years that with the really good horses, they don’t even know about them.

I’m hoping to post a lot this winter to call out some of this bullshit that’s already starting before the best of the Flat isn’t even with us. It’s utterly tiresome and boring

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:ROFLMAO: Probably!

That’s why I called their show entertaining :). Having said that they are not the only ones chattering about Heldam and I think he might be one worth casting our eyes over, nothing more.
Why? They literally haven't a clue.
 
I was just mentioning them because it was the latest I’d seen. As you said earlier, any moron can see it might be good. I was just tagging it to make sure I looked to see, which is what I intended with the thread. I don’t want to back it, but I don’t want to miss seeing it run.
 
Those two clowns on Let’s Talk Racing wouldn’t have a f$%^ing clue. They are the definition of the word SHROODS. No, I’m not anti–young people in racing, I’d just urge people not to get sucked into this level of bullshit hype for clicks. Any moron can work out on its debut that a €110k Willie Mullins purchase might be good — but for f%*&’s sake, at least see it with your eyes before you take some stupid ante-post price for Cheltenham. I’ve found over the years that with the really good horses, they don’t even know about them.

I’m hoping to post a lot this winter to call out some of this bullshit that’s already starting before the best of the Flat isn’t even with us. It’s utterly tiresome and boring

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I'm not sure if I'm posting in support of this or not, but there is a new generation of social media punters who think the Jumps season begins and ends with an ante-post "Fezfolio," maybe combined in an "acca," before turning up at Cheltenham in March in the most nauseating "Peaky Blinders Lad Goes Jump Racing" ensemble they can find.

There was - and thankfully still is - more to betting on Jumps Racing than this.

I also detest "Stable Bores (sorry, Tours)," along with everything else that appears in the public domain, and thanks for the heads up about this podcast, which I'll now be sure to swerve as I'd marginally prefer a trip to the dentist for a course of root canal treatment without anaesthetic, administered by a Dr R Hard.

All of that said, I will be superglued to this thread all Winter with great interest.
 
I obviously got the thread off to a bad start with the link to a fairly harmless podcast, which meant all the conversation has been about them and their ilk and not the horses. Silly me.

So, to the horse. Heldam has gone in my tracker “to watch and see how he goes”.
 
The third hasn't franked the form in two subsequent outings - but Heldam and the runner up did draw well clear, so maybe that's unimportant.

Be interesting to see how Heldam progresses.
 
I’m not trying to make it about those two lads, but I do want to make it clear to others what clowns they are and the hype they inject into a market. They were jizzing their shorts last year over Final Demand after his win at Limerick.

I noted to a few people that if anyone was really excited about that horse, then tell me how much you’re having on the second from the PTP that David Pipe stopped three times. It absolutely bolted up on handicap debut off 75 in one of the worst races run in Britain last winter — unlike Final Demand, who finished 3rd in the best novice hurdle of the season.

Nuance in betting f$%^ing matters.

 
Couldn't agree more - middling ex-Irish Maiden Pointers, who maybe got placed a couple of times in Ireland, joining a hungry UK yard - and being laid out for some Class 5 Novices' Handicap - have always interested me more than trying to be on the next odds-on "Fez" hot pot.

You get some hilarious ones, too - three runs for a mark in 2m Novice or Maiden Hurdles then up a MILE for the handicap debut.
 
There's a winning Irish Pointer running this evening off 86 in a ten-runner Class 5 Handicap hurdle following three runs at ever greater SPs in maiden hurdles over two miles. The race she won in Ireland was a mares' maiden in April at Castletown-Geoghegan ( probably not strong form ), and today's race is only over two and a half miles rather than three.
Princesse Milania ( Olly Murphy and Sean Bowen ) - 6:35 Uttoxeter ( 14/1 )
 
There's a winning Irish Pointer running this evening off 86 in a ten-runner Class 5 Handicap hurdle following three runs at ever greater SPs in maiden hurdles over two miles. The race she won in Ireland was a mares' maiden in April at Castletown-Geoghegan ( probably not strong form ), and today's race is only over two and a half miles rather than three.
Princesse Milania ( Olly Murphy and Sean Bowen ) - 6:35 Uttoxeter ( 14/1 )
If this is lively on the show I'll be watching with interest. 86 is very lenient for the bumper run.
 
Of all the people who have been on this forum in the decades that I've been here, Slim is the one that people should listen to....always has been.
 
Harry Derham ran Balhambar in the Jump Jockeys Derby at Epsom as a prep for the season opener at Chepstow. He ran like it, prominent until a couple out when he faded away.

The same scenario for his Aviemore in the last at Doncaster. “Prominent, weakened from over 1f out”

They should both be ready.
 
And talking of Harry Derham if you’re at a loose end for an hour or so this is quite entertaining especially 1h08m in which talks about the new season.

 
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For those looking forward to the main event, here’s a little something to get you tingling in anticipation. An extract from a piece on Bailey’s Blog by Peter Kerr who is syndicate manager at Kim Bailey’s.

….. Who can remember the rivalry between the likes of Kauto Star and Denman? Both trained by Paul Nicholls but so different in style. Kauto was elegance, speed and tactical brilliance. Denman raw power “the Tank”, built for war.

At the 2008 Cheltenham Gold Cup, Denman crushed previous winner Kauto Star by seven lengths in a demolition job, but the rivalry didn’t end there. Kauto came back in 2009 to reclaim the title becoming the first horse to regain the Gold Cup. In 2011, Denman beat Kauto but alas they finished second and third to Long Run, the first 6 year old to score since Mill House in 1963. It was probably one of the best ever Gold Cups with the winners of the four previous runnings all in attendance.

The rivalry captivated fans not just for the races but for the contrast. Two champions, the same stable, and for once they lived up to the hype. Racing rivalries are more than just contests; they are stories. Stories of glory, defeat, comeback, and character. They give us heroes and villains, drama, and heartbreak. Whether it’s Arkle grinding down Mill Hill on the Cheltenham Hill, or Kauto and Denman exchanging gold at Prestbury Park, these rivalries define eras.

Horse racing is a sport built on form, odds, and analysis, but every so often, a race unfolds that throws all of that straight out of the window. These are the days when outsiders become legends, favourites falter, and the racing world gasps in disbelief.

Who remembers Norton’s Coin? Still the longest-priced winner in Gold Cup history at 100/1. A true fairytale. Trained by Welsh dairy farmer Sirrell Griffiths, who had just two horses. He not only beat the best in the land but did it in style— defeating odds-on favourite and legend Desert

How about the long-priced Grand National winners? My first memory is Fionavon, who wasn’t considered much of a threat; even his owner didn’t bother turning up. At the 23rd fence, the smallest on the course, a massive pile-up took out most of the field. Fionavon, running well behind the leaders, tiptoed through the carnage like a careful cat and suddenly found himself in front. He won unchallenged and went down in history and will never be forgotten as that 23rd fence is named after him.

Mon Mome was another 100/1 winner of the race, and one surprise winner that unfortunately sticks in our memory is 2016 winner Rule The World, who had previously never won a steeplechase! He beat our very own The Last Samuri… so frustrating!

Will there be any emotional returns this season? Chianti Classico perhaps?

Who remembers the huge emotions of Aldaniti and Jockey Bob Champion? Bob was diagnosed with cancer with a 30% chance of surviving, and the horse Aldaniti had chronic leg problems, who was almost retired. Together, they won the 1981 Grand National. This wasn’t just a racing story— it was a human and equine triumph, a duo who refused to give in and inspired millions. It was even made into a film, “Champions.”

Then there was Sprinter Sacre, not an underdog at his peak— but his comeback was pure fairy tale. He dominated the 2-mile chase division, but his career looked over owing to heart problems and injury. However, he came back in 2016 to reclaim the Queen Mother Champion Chase. He went from being unbeatable to broken to beloved, and his emotional return cemented his place in racing history.

There is a reason why we remember these stories. They are not just about the horses or races; they are about fighting back. Overcoming doubt, defying the experts, defying the odds. In a sport where pedigrees and price tags often dominate, there is something irresistibly powerful about the underdog. These are the horses (and people) who were not supposed to win but did and became legends.

One of the greatest thrills in racing is that no outcome is ever guaranteed. Whether it’s a 100/1 shot at Cheltenham, a mud-splattered outsider at Aintree, the sport it’s built for shocks. These upsets remind us that on any given day, a horse that no one believed in can be a future champion, and that is the magic of national hunt racing.
 
Barjon's contribution to a Lucky 15 v Yankee thread is to say he does neither and Slim equalised by going on a Stable Tour/Blog thread to arguably express reservations about the limitations of the value/quality of the material.

Anyone who bet Both Teams To Score is already payout window bound.
 
Be serious, Ian, who could chance competing with Slim. I do value my lower regions, you know.

Anyway I am surprised to see him on here since he seriously thinks the jumps are shit, so Slim
Get off my f$%^ing thread
 
All of those events are imprinted in my memory. I can still remember things like the morning of Aldanitis race and the sun streaming through the living room window that morning ( why that race? I’ve no idea what the weather was like for other Nationals).And the stories didn’t really end with the races either. I was at a Dessie open day and asked one if his connections about his defeat to Norton’s Coin…just as he was answering me ( he’d began by saying they were too complacent) he git called away so I never got to hear the full account. The only horse of that lot that didn’t get to me emotionally was Sprinter Sacre, but it still affects me because use I remember talking to Fist on here about him and that makes me sad.
 

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