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Is There Any Good Bookies These Days ?

Might And Power

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Take a look at the last paragraph of this reply to a customer from his online bookmaker - it is taken from Twitter after the customer was unable to take winnings out of his account. It is very worrying for the future of anybody that has accounts. I'm sure if the customer lost continuously then his bookmaker would have kept his stake money. Apparently the bookmaker also appears to have closed the account, thus preventing the customer from gaining access to the account. I would hazard a guess that this practice may even be illegal - is it any wonder that many many people are seeking out the black markets ?
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I'd like to look at the bank accounts of the head of the gambling commission in the UK. They're insisting that this can be used ONLY for evidence of money laundering or for financial self harm (problem gambling). The bookies are no longer adhering to those boundaries. When questioned, the circular passing of the buck begins, between The Boomakers, IBAS, the Gambling Commissioner and certain Banks.

A friend in the UK has been restricted to a 250 quid deposit limit per month, this is despite withdrawing 40k+ in winnings last year and regularly placing bets of 500 - 1000 at double figure odds . This had the knock on effect of them not being able to place a bet at Royal Ascot with that particular bookmaker. I'm not naming the Bookmaker, but it's a very large well known firm.

So yeah, they're now also breaching the rules of Bank statement requirements and imo if nothing there is untoward, they should be charged with liable, but I guess the self harm angle covers them in that regard. It's all a farce. Someone could go into a shop and gamble away on a machine. They could go into a casino and do likewise, or wager large bets on course, they could buy every scratch card in a supermarket, or indeed, buy as many lottery tickets as they please, but yeah, the Government loves and cares about you.

The whole thing stinks of bribery and corruption. What's next, phone records to see if you've accepted a tip from a restricted person? Looking on racing forums perhaps, with the suggestion of some syndication taking place?

The rub for my friend in this instance, is it was obvious he was playing with winnings previously withdrawn, so that can't be a problem gambler issue, so are they suggesting my friend is money laundering? I've advised to tell them to get stuffed. I'm sure they'd have slowly lost it back, or most of it, as they'd simply got lucky last year with 66/1 winner and another at 20's towards the backend of the flat.

There is a reputable American firm that will stand bets to US $5000 liability (it may even be $50K, with a $5K stake limit, I forget) and never restrict or close (apparently). UK registered firms are running amok with the aid of regulatory officials turning a blind eye (at least).

People in the UK should be filing lawsuits left, right and center over their law breaching behavior, but as I say, the pass the buck merry-go-round begins.
 
More information required - one could infer nefarious behaviour on the part of the punter as well as shocking customer service from the bookie.

It would be nice to find out the full details - however, bookmakers are rarely forthcoming & will quote client confidentiality.

There are definitely lots of cases of unscrupulous punters out there, who have basically been responsible for genuine backers having trouble getting on. But this bookmaker response stinks to the high heaven. The last paragraph is particularly worrying for all punters.

Imagine for example - a punter opens an account. 1st Bet £100 win on a 2/1 that is successful - he withdraws his initial deposit of £100 and leaves in the £200 profit to play about with. A few days later one of the big meetings is on ( Ascot or Cheltenham maybe ) he places £25 EW Trixie and wins £5000 ............. that last paragraph states that he cannot withdraw his winnings as he will have already withdrawn his initial deposit.

Why did the bookmaker then close his account and prevent him gaining access ?


If bookmakers are so concerned with customers having multiple accounts then why is that not preventable before an account has been verified ? Whilst I am against affordability checks, I can see why big firms are keen to access customers personal details, but this should all be done BEFORE an account has become Live and Active. Any bets accepted after the account is Live & Verified must be honoured by the bookmaker.
 
Obviously not the worlds worst but what the hell has happened to Chandlers ???????
I was looking at a couple of races at Sedgefield yesterday and noticed that they were bottom price every horse in both races. So i had a look at a couple of other races and it was the same. Bottom price everything.
So last ntght and this morning i've kept an eye on five random races,at Hereford and Southwell and as of 6.20 this morning, they are bottom price every horse and have been since they copied and pasted some other Mickey Mouse firms terrible prices. The Southwell races are the 1.50 and 3.35 and the 1.25, 2.00 and 2.35 races at Hereford. All five are fairly competitive handicaps where you would imagine or hope there would be some variation. But they are between one tick and three ticks below top price.

I know a few lads who worked for them back in the day and i know Victor would have had a coronary if the prices were that bad and there was not a single piece of black type in the grids.
But there is not a single one !!
I know he hasnt had anything to do with them for many years now but what the hell is Tabor thinking of ?????

Totally irrelevant these days.
 
Ive always thought of Chandlers as a book to go to when you cant get on elsewhere. Different generations maybe.
Same as Betway
 
Ive always thought of Chandlers as a book to go to when you cant get on elsewhere. Different generations maybe.
Same as Betway
These days mate they just look a complete waste of time. Go back 15 or 20 years and they were as competitive as the rest. But i remember having a rant about them on my old forum about 10/11 years ago, They just seemed to hang back with their overnight prices far longer than they used too and 3%+ per runner became the norm. It looks even worse now and i really dont know why they bother.
 
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Back in the day I was one of very very many who got stung with the 12Bet,Funbet etc Cheltenham attempted theft where they closed winning accounts overnight as all their ridiculously generous offers won. Reasons given was that I held accounts with each company (nothing wrong with that). I had to go to the National and local press who picked up on it and they eventually re opened everyone's accounts and paid up. 10Bet were others that attempted to close my account and steal the balance after a string of free bets won. They point blank refused to pay for months until I informed them that I won a very high profile competition and would use every bit of publicity to warn people off them...lo and behold I was paid within 3 days. They all restrict eventually, even in shops.
 
Back in the day I was one of very very many who got stung with the 12Bet,Funbet etc Cheltenham attempted theft where they closed winning accounts overnight as all their ridiculously generous offers won. Reasons given was that I held accounts with each company (nothing wrong with that). I had to go to the National and local press who picked up on it and they eventually re opened everyone's accounts and paid up. 10Bet were others that attempted to close my account and steal the balance after a string of free bets won. They point blank refused to pay for months until I informed them that I won a very high profile competition and would use every bit of publicity to warn people off them...lo and behold I was paid within 3 days. They all restrict eventually, even in shops.
I have to admit that i could never have a bet with any of those fly by night firms (i cant call them bookmakers) and i would never even open an account and give them my details. it seems as though there are new ones appearing every day in the grids on Oddschecker and its probably only a matter of time before all these "Turkish barbers" start opening up offices and online HQ's

Who the hell are "BetTom" ??? "Bresbet" ??? "Priced Up" ??? "GrosvenorBet" ??? etc etc etc.
Its bad enough trying to get a few shekels on with the fraudsters that are Ladcrooks, Corals, Hills etc etc.

Not for me.
 
If we only had restrictions to deal with then everyone could just migrate to exchanges and the tote and fk the others but the whole bookies etc demanding financial info equiv to a mortgage application to withdraw winnings will ultimately kill (legal) betting in the UK.

This will feed into creating a bigger unlicensed bookmaker market that the 'Turkish barber' and other money laundering enterprises will move into.
 
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If we only had restrictions to deal with then everyone could just migrate to exchanges and the tote and fk the others but the whole bookies etc demanding financial info equiv to a mortgage application to withdraw winnings will ultimately kill (legal) betting in the UK.

This will feed into creating a bigger unlicensed bookmaker market that the 'Turkish barber' and other money laundering enterprises will move into.
I wouldnt dream of even trying to open an account with any of the aforementioned "firms". I've seen many "fly by night" firms appear on Oddschecker only to disappear again before too long. And then replaced by other chancers.
Its bad enough trying to deal with the "reputable" firms (and i use the word "reputable" very loosely) like Hills, Corals etc with their reluctance to take bets and their varying withdrawal rules. But to have to deal with these new fraudsters who may well be just that - no thanks. Do we really know who we are dealing with when trying to open an account with these people ? Do we really want to give our dates of birth, address, bank details to a firm that we really know nothing about ?
Never in a million years is the answer !!!

People might think i'm jesting but when we see "MarmarisBet" and "BodrumBet" etc appear on Oddschecker, that will be the time to get out altogether. :)
 
I don't even like providing bank details to such as Lads, hence I would never even provide my email addr let alone open accs with any of the 'others'.

And I'll stop betting before I hand over banks statements etc to any cnt bookie
 
I don't even like providing bank details to such as Lads, hence I would never even provide my email addr let alone open accs with any of the 'others'.

And I'll stop betting before I hand over banks statements etc to any cnt bookie
You and me together mate. In this day and age, and you will know far more than me about the dangers of hackers, cyber crime etc, i do not trust ANYONE when it comes to giving out personal information. I've actually been stopped twice this morning by people wanting me to sign up to a Dogs trust for a monthly payment and also a Dementia charity. I have given plenty to the Dementia ones in the past due to having family who have suffered with this horrible illness and i feel terrible saying no. But i always answer them by telling them i regularly donate to the MND Society and that is enough.
I'm a big Rugby League fan so you will know where i am coming from with that one.

It is just far too dangerous these days to give away anything from a personal point of view.
 
someone is getting on....................
A case filed in the High Court in London last month has lifted the lid on the inner workings of Tony Bloom’s betting empire, which has brought him huge wealth and influence.

Bloom, 55, has made a fortune through his company Starlizard, which has enabled him to take a sharp approach to gambling, and his wealth has since been used to achieve success in sports such as football and horseracing.

What is Starlizard?​

Established in 2006, Starlizard is a data collection company which uses the information to generate statistical models that provide gamblers with an edge in football betting markets, primarily Asian handicaps.

As well as selling the information to a select group of people, Bloom is the primary client of Starlizard, using the data it generates to place significant bets for his syndicates of gamblers.

Bloom also invited his employees to join his syndicates – known as ‘stars’ – meaning that when he was winning, everyone was doing so.

In his book, Gambling For Life, the professional punter Harry Findlay described the action.

“Even as the cleaners were mopping up at night, they were winning, and they were always getting on at the right price,” he said. “Incredibly, I had the winnings from my own bets, plus £10,000 from every star that Tony put on. It was massive.”

What is Bloom’s connection to horseracing?​

Football is Bloom’s first love – he is the owner of Brighton & Hove Albion in the Premier League and a 29 per cent shareholder of Hearts in the Scottish Premiership – while he earned his nickname ‘The Lizard’, for his cold-bloodedness, from the professional poker circuit.

In 2008, Bloom teamed up with Findlay to race a number of horses on the Flat and over jumps in Britain, winning the 2009 Wokingham Stakes at Royal Ascot with High Standing.

Once that partnership ended, Bloom moved into owning horses by himself, most notably 2022 and 2023 Queen Mother Champion Chase winner Energumene, and has expanded his involvement further in recent years.

Alongside Ian McAleavy, Starlizard’s head of football, Bloom has raced the likes of Lake Forest, Venetian Sun and Santorini Star, while 1.7 million gns yearling buy My Ophelia made a winning debut for the pair at Newbury in October.

In January last year, Bloom said he was establishing a breeding operation and that professional punter Patrick Veitch was joining his group in a bid to further sharpen their approach to buying.

What is the case against Bloom?​

According to documents filed with the High Court, Ryan Dudfield, a former associate of Bloom, claims he is owed $17.5 million as a share of profits from a betting syndicate.

The court documents state the syndicate – known as the Starlizard Betting Syndicate or the Tony Bloom Betting Syndicate – makes around £600m a year in winnings.

It is also outlined that Bloom’s syndicates allegedly use the accounts of third parties to get bets on, including “footballers, sportsmen and businessmen”, who would then keep a share of any winnings.

Dudfield, who is said to have introduced Bloom to a big-staking individual, known as a 'whale', for use of his betting account, claims the betting syndicate he was involved in continued to operate after he was told that it had stopped.

Bloom has yet to file a defence to the claim.
 
someone is getting on....................
A case filed in the High Court in London last month has lifted the lid on the inner workings of Tony Bloom’s betting empire, which has brought him huge wealth and influence.

Bloom, 55, has made a fortune through his company Starlizard, which has enabled him to take a sharp approach to gambling, and his wealth has since been used to achieve success in sports such as football and horseracing.

What is Starlizard?​

Established in 2006, Starlizard is a data collection company which uses the information to generate statistical models that provide gamblers with an edge in football betting markets, primarily Asian handicaps.

As well as selling the information to a select group of people, Bloom is the primary client of Starlizard, using the data it generates to place significant bets for his syndicates of gamblers.

Bloom also invited his employees to join his syndicates – known as ‘stars’ – meaning that when he was winning, everyone was doing so.

In his book, Gambling For Life, the professional punter Harry Findlay described the action.

“Even as the cleaners were mopping up at night, they were winning, and they were always getting on at the right price,” he said. “Incredibly, I had the winnings from my own bets, plus £10,000 from every star that Tony put on. It was massive.”

What is Bloom’s connection to horseracing?​

Football is Bloom’s first love – he is the owner of Brighton & Hove Albion in the Premier League and a 29 per cent shareholder of Hearts in the Scottish Premiership – while he earned his nickname ‘The Lizard’, for his cold-bloodedness, from the professional poker circuit.

In 2008, Bloom teamed up with Findlay to race a number of horses on the Flat and over jumps in Britain, winning the 2009 Wokingham Stakes at Royal Ascot with High Standing.

Once that partnership ended, Bloom moved into owning horses by himself, most notably 2022 and 2023 Queen Mother Champion Chase winner Energumene, and has expanded his involvement further in recent years.

Alongside Ian McAleavy, Starlizard’s head of football, Bloom has raced the likes of Lake Forest, Venetian Sun and Santorini Star, while 1.7 million gns yearling buy My Ophelia made a winning debut for the pair at Newbury in October.

In January last year, Bloom said he was establishing a breeding operation and that professional punter Patrick Veitch was joining his group in a bid to further sharpen their approach to buying.

What is the case against Bloom?​

According to documents filed with the High Court, Ryan Dudfield, a former associate of Bloom, claims he is owed $17.5 million as a share of profits from a betting syndicate.

The court documents state the syndicate – known as the Starlizard Betting Syndicate or the Tony Bloom Betting Syndicate – makes around £600m a year in winnings.

It is also outlined that Bloom’s syndicates allegedly use the accounts of third parties to get bets on, including “footballers, sportsmen and businessmen”, who would then keep a share of any winnings.

Dudfield, who is said to have introduced Bloom to a big-staking individual, known as a 'whale', for use of his betting account, claims the betting syndicate he was involved in continued to operate after he was told that it had stopped.

Bloom has yet to file a defence to the claim.
I'm looking forward to reading what gets published, especially just being one of the plebs only allowed a tenner take out most of the time from Bet365 and Lads
 

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