Desert Orchid
Senior Jockey
- Joined
- Aug 2, 2005
- Messages
- 24,745
I have always respected RPRs (which is why I often quote them) because I know there's a lot of work goes into compiling them but I'm often wary of them where French racing is concerned. I've often found they are lower than my own figures on the few occasions I dig a bit into French form.
I don't really have access to Timeform ratings so can't compare them other than knowing Timeform are [ball-park] 5lbs higher than my own in non-handicaps.
At the big Ascot meeting just past, I was noting French RPRs for their runners here and saw then that they seemed conservative.
I've just checked the Jean-Prat run today.
Going into the race these were the adjusted RPRs:
Kikkuli (trained in the UK) 125
Romantic Style (UK) 125
Iberian (UK) 123
Devil's Point (UK) 122
Kathmandu (UK) 121
Monteille (Fr) 121
Beauvatier (Fr) 120
Vespertilio (Ire) 120
Havana Cigar (Fr) 118
Sajir (Fr) 117
Puchkine (Fr) 114
Zandy (Fr) 105
And this was the finishing order:
Puchkine (Fr) 114
Havana Cigar (Fr) 118
Beauvatier (Fr) 120
Sajir (Fr) 117
Kathmandu (UK) 121
Kikkuli (UK) 125
Vespertilio (Ire) 120
Devil's Point (UK) 122
Zandy (Fr) 105
Monteille (Fr) 121
Iberian (UK) 123
Romantic Style (UK) 125
Kathmundu had split Rouhiya and Vespertilio in the Pouliches last time out so those two have run close to that form yet were beaten 3.5L and more here. Kikkuli may not have been over a big run in the Jersey a couple of weeks ago but it looks like the other French form might be under-rated.
Could this be why O'Meara gets a lot of joy buying in horses from below the top levels in France?
Just curious...
I don't really have access to Timeform ratings so can't compare them other than knowing Timeform are [ball-park] 5lbs higher than my own in non-handicaps.
At the big Ascot meeting just past, I was noting French RPRs for their runners here and saw then that they seemed conservative.
I've just checked the Jean-Prat run today.
Going into the race these were the adjusted RPRs:
Kikkuli (trained in the UK) 125
Romantic Style (UK) 125
Iberian (UK) 123
Devil's Point (UK) 122
Kathmandu (UK) 121
Monteille (Fr) 121
Beauvatier (Fr) 120
Vespertilio (Ire) 120
Havana Cigar (Fr) 118
Sajir (Fr) 117
Puchkine (Fr) 114
Zandy (Fr) 105
And this was the finishing order:
Puchkine (Fr) 114
Havana Cigar (Fr) 118
Beauvatier (Fr) 120
Sajir (Fr) 117
Kathmandu (UK) 121
Kikkuli (UK) 125
Vespertilio (Ire) 120
Devil's Point (UK) 122
Zandy (Fr) 105
Monteille (Fr) 121
Iberian (UK) 123
Romantic Style (UK) 125
Kathmundu had split Rouhiya and Vespertilio in the Pouliches last time out so those two have run close to that form yet were beaten 3.5L and more here. Kikkuli may not have been over a big run in the Jersey a couple of weeks ago but it looks like the other French form might be under-rated.
Could this be why O'Meara gets a lot of joy buying in horses from below the top levels in France?
Just curious...