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Does this make you think racing is straight?

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notsodancingbrave

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Picked up from the SL this morning, below is the link to a race at Wexford yesterday.
Everyone knows that the Charles Byrnes stable is a gambling stable and it will be interesting how the IHRB deal with this bearing in mind some of the decisions they have made over the last year when horses have been trying.
I am no expert but this to me clearly looks like the jockey has thrown himself off the horse when he knew it was going to win.
Or am I being to cynical?

IHRB to investigate Redwood Queen unseat at Wexford

The IHRB have confirmed they are going to further investigate the final-flight unseat of Philip Byrnes from Redwood Queen at Wexford on Wednesday evening.
www.sportinglife.com www.sportinglife.com
 
notsodancingbrave said:
Picked up from the SL this morning, below is the link to a race at Wexford yesterday.
Everyone knows that the Charles Byrnes stable is a gambling stable and it will be interesting how the IHRB deal with this bearing in mind some of the decisions they have made over the last year when horses have been trying.
I am no expert but this to me clearly looks like the jockey has thrown himself off the horse when he knew it was going to win.
Or am I being to cynical?

IHRB to investigate Redwood Queen unseat at Wexford

The IHRB have confirmed they are going to further investigate the final-flight unseat of Philip Byrnes from Redwood Queen at Wexford on Wednesday evening.
www.sportinglife.com www.sportinglife.com
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Have to admit it didn't look good
I rarely bet in Ireland these days
I have seen some very dubious rides
 
I was already aware of this as I saw the race last night - I see there will now be an investigation.

I think it is impossible to generalise about whether racing is universally straight or not, but anyone who thinks every horse is trying every time it runs in a predominantly handicap-based system is mistaken.

And occasionally connections are actively looking to get their horse beaten for a variety of reasons.

As for this incident, my Law degree nous prevents me from expressing a personal opinion in print in public, but in my 40 years plus of watching racing, it looked to me as soft an unseat as I have ever seen.
 
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yorick said:
Irish racing? As a nine-bob note.

However, if they wanted it to lose there are lots of easier, better, less blatant ways of doing so. Also no threat of injury to the jockey.
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I agree 100% that there are a multitude of ways to make sure you dont win the race, but possibly he was expecting the 1/3 fav to perform a lot better and having had nowhere to hide throughout the race maybe his options were very limited?
 
If you want one to lose surely jumping off at the last when looking likely to win is the stupidest way to do it. The handicapper, certainly in the UK, is entitled to assume the horse won and raise it accordingly. Three out was the time to do it.

It also makes him look like a rank amateur rider, unseating so softly.
 
Desert Orchid said:
If you want one to lose surely jumping off at the last when looking likely to win is the stupidest way to do it. The handicapper, certainly in the UK, is entitled to assume the horse won and raise it accordingly. Three out was the time to do it.

It also makes him look like a rank amateur rider, unseating so softly.
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I'd imagine Philip Byrnes was thinking about his knee caps and not handicappers. There is drug money involved here and it's about time it was called out.
 
Slim said:
open.substack.com

Point Blank: Philip Byrnes Jumped Off. Who Benefited?

I’ve a pain in my bollocks with racing brushing this sort of thing under the carpet.
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Straight to the point and probably 100% correct. Its important the IHRB have the balls to take the appropriate action on this, and IMHO if they were prepared to ban Shark Hanlon for 9 months for a genuine mistake they need to be banning jockey/trainer for at least a year.
 
I never for one second thought any motive (if there was one) was to get the mark down - it's not how you do it for a kick off - and I always smile when Paddy Power talk about cowardice when they immediately restricted me to betting to win a fiver after I took a lousy £160 off them just after first opening an account some years ago.

I flatter myself it was a sound long-term business decision by them, but brave it wasn't.
 
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What was the name of the Irish journalist who investigated the Lance Armstrong situation (among other stuff)? Did he also do articles on the use of drugs in [Irish?] racing?

Surely he would love to get his teeth into this (or would he end up tied to an anchor)?
 
Slim said:
I'd imagine Philip Byrnes was thinking about his knee caps and not handicappers. There is drug money involved here and it's about time it was called out.
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Surely there is really obvious evidence of this in betting patterns on the exchanges? There would be a higher volume traded onto he race than a typical race of this class etc.

Reminds of Italian Serie B on Betfair about 15 years ago. Truly hilarious when looking at the volume traded - matches towards the end of the season between teams playing for nothing. You'd see a handful of grand bet on the other games and £100k on one game 🤣
 


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