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The 2025 Derby

Was at chester and all the obrien first strings looked good. I thought mount kilimanjaro looked the best of the lot so be very interesting when he runs again. Also Illinois looked great.
Cracking racecourse - my Dad went to Chester Grammar School in the 1940s and used to tell me about seeing Prince Monolulu walk through the town at the May Chester Cup meeting and the horses arriving by train and being walked to the track.
 
The best stayer in the race. Improving with each run so could turn out pretty good. Looks a shoe in for the leger but doubt he will go there now.
 
The best stayer in the race. Improving with each run so could turn out pretty good. Looks a shoe in for the leger but doubt he will go there now.
The St Leger could be on the cards for third placed Tennessee Stud, or even the two mile race at Ascot on Champions Day if they think he will be better on softish ground. I've looked at a replay of the race and he had ten horses in front of him after rounding Tattenham Corner. I wondered who the Westerberg might be in co-ownership with Magnier, Tabor and Smith thinking it would be an individual, but it's actually the racing operation of Georg von Opel.
 
Chuffed Ruling Court didn't run. Roll on the SJP at Ascot.
The Eclipse after that will be tasty too.
 
The St Leger could be on the cards for third placed Tennessee Stud, or even the two mile race at Ascot on Champions Day if they think he will be better on softish ground. I've looked at a replay of the race and he had ten horses in front of him after rounding Tattenham Corner. I wondered who the Westerberg might be in co-ownership with Magnier, Tabor and Smith thinking it would be an individual, but it's actually the racing operation of Georg von Opel.
Hanson horse Nighttime Dancer, is another who entered my Leger thoughts.
Hannon.
 
I wonder if lion in winter might go sj james Palace. He showed in the Acomb he can quicken off a fast pace. Mind you Henri matisse I think is going there so maybe not.
 
Very strange ruling court was even entered in the Derby. Don't think k even on good ground he would have caught the winner. As Kevin Blake said he was maybe very fortunate to win the guineas. Henri matisse has that one decisive kick .
 
Very strange ruling court was even entered in the Derby. Don't think k even on good ground he would have caught the winner. As Kevin Blake said he was maybe very fortunate to win the guineas. Henri matisse has that one decisive kick .
10 will probably be his optimum. Same goes for Delacroix. Very surprised Moore opted for what many thought was a doubtful stayer.
 
Often one coming through beaten horses can be flattered. New Ground wouldn't be one. Watching how he went through the race was interesting!
 
10 will probably be his optimum. Same goes for Delacroix. Very surprised Moore opted for what many thought was a doubtful stayer.
In that ground surprised he didn't go for Lambourn. Lambourn clocked a second faster than the sprinters at chester in the final furlong. Was always going to be in the first 3. Lordan probably couldn't believe his luck.
 
In that ground surprised he didn't go for Lambourn. Lambourn clocked a second faster than the sprinters at chester in the final furlong. Was always going to be in the first 3. Lordan probably couldn't believe his luck.
Absolutely. Even on better ground I would have been a little surprised.
Expect Lordan was playing hide and seek.
 
Very strange ruling court was even entered in the Derby. Don't think k even on good ground he would have caught the winner. As Kevin Reckon Blake said he was maybe very fortunate to win the guineas. Henri matisse has that one decisive kick .

Reckon he won the Guineas because Wm Buick rode a perfectly timed race to suit the pace on the day.
Sectionals showed good reason to doubt his stamina,even then.
 
10 will probably be his optimum. Same goes for Delacroix. Very surprised Moore opted for what many thought was a doubtful stayer.
I suspect when Del Boy showed improved form this season, they were thinking stallion material especially with his pedigree (Dubawi out of Tepin is pretty nice). The rain softened ground definitely for me would have been an alarm if they were worried about stamina but they don't really dodge challenges do they? Is he a non stayer? Well right now you can't confirm that. He got seriously knocked back by Pride of Arras into a position even Dancing Brave might have struggled from and the tacky ground meant that was nigh on impossible anyway. I watched the horse around Tattenham Corner and he handled the turn fine but didn't look happy on the ground. He did accelerate coming into the straight but the winner had flown. I think it's unlikely he will be campaigned again over 1m4f simply because as a stallion, it's not a commercial proposition.
 
Crowd down 4,500 on last year, only 22k paying customers

Hill looked very sparse as well

Enclosure changes have been rumoured so god knows what they're gonna do
 
I love Epsom Downs racecourse, I used to love Derby Day, but it's become a really lousy day out.

I could say it's overpriced - which it is, Royal Ascot is actually better value for money - but it's not even that, going there is more trouble than it's worth.

I could go every year for nothing if I wanted, but I can't actually be bothered.

And it seems I'm not alone.

I honestly don't see them turning it around unless they slash prices and accept much lower profit margins, which is the last thing they will want to do.
 
I suspect when Del Boy showed improved form this season, they were thinking stallion material especially with his pedigree (Dubawi out of Tepin is pretty nice). The rain softened ground definitely for me would have been an alarm if they were worried about stamina but they don't really dodge challenges do they? Is he a non stayer? Well right now you can't confirm that. He got seriously knocked back by Pride of Arras into a position even Dancing Brave might have struggled from and the tacky ground meant that was nigh on impossible anyway. I watched the horse around Tattenham Corner and he handled the turn fine but didn't look happy on the ground. He did accelerate coming into the straight but the winner had flown. I think it's unlikely he will be campaigned again over 1m4f simply because as a stallion, it's not a comm

I suspect when Del Boy showed improved form this season, they were thinking stallion material especially with his pedigree (Dubawi out of Tepin is pretty nice). The rain softened ground definitely for me would have been an alarm if they were worried about stamina but they don't really dodge challenges do they? Is he a non stayer? Well right now you can't confirm that. He got seriously knocked back by Pride of Arras into a position even Dancing Brave might have struggled from and the tacky ground meant that was nigh on impossible anyway. I watched the horse around Tattenham Corner and he handled the turn fine but didn't look happy on the ground. He did accelerate coming into the straight but the winner had flown. I think it's unlikely he will be campaigned again over 1m4f simply because as a stallion, it's not a commercial pRe

I suspect when Del Boy showed improved form this season, they were thinking stallion material especially with his pedigree (Dubawi out of Tepin is pretty nice). The rain softened ground definitely for me would have been an alarm if they were worried about stamina but they don't really dodge challenges do they? Is he a non stayer? Well right now you can't confirm that. He got seriously knocked back by Pride of Arras into a position even Dancing Brave might have struggled from and the tacky ground meant that was nigh on impossible anyway. I watched the horse around Tattenham Corner and he handled the turn fine but didn't look happy on the ground. He did accelerate coming into the straight but the winner had flown. I think it's unlikely he will be campaigned again over 1m4f simply because as a stallion, it's not a commercial proposition.
Result suggests Coolmore knew exactly what they were doing from the start - why else make the pace for a colt of doubtful stamina? - and they had their cake, and ate it,yesterday.
 
I suspect when Del Boy showed improved form this season, they were thinking stallion material especially with his pedigree (Dubawi out of Tepin is pretty nice). The rain softened ground definitely for me would have been an alarm if they were worried about stamina but they don't really dodge challenges do they? Is he a non stayer? Well right now you can't confirm that. He got seriously knocked back by Pride of Arras into a position even Dancing Brave might have struggled from and the tacky ground meant that was nigh on impossible anyway. I watched the horse around Tattenham Corner and he handled the turn fine but didn't look happy on the ground. He did accelerate coming into the straight but the winner had flown. I think it's unlikely he will be campaigned again over 1m4f simply because as a stallion, it's not a commercial proposition.
It's the biggest race so they gave it a go. For me, nothing he had shown prior to the race said he wanted that trip.
The race didn't pan out for him at all but suspect he wouldn't have troubled the winner anyway.
Like you, don't expect to see him running over 12 again.
 
The more I think about the race the smellier it gets.

Everything was screaming that Delacroix wouldn't stay but even I have to set some store by Ryan Moore's opting for him.

Early on, I thought maybe he was being ridden to get the trip but he was never travelling despite that apparent surge early in the straight.

And yet Lambourn halved from 11/1 to 11/2 through the day. Is this where "the lads'" money really was?

Coming back to Delacroix, much was made of his trial win but that race developed into a sprint and he was the class horse in the race, best placed to take advantage of how it unfolded. Could "the world's best jockey" have deluded himself into believing that Delacroix would stay?

Which brings me round to The Lion In Winter.

What the actual fvck is going on here? Has he not trained on? Are they preparing him for a summer/autumn campaign?
 
Word is they have had loads of niggles with tliw. I wish they had done what they did with st Nicholas Abbey. Just give the horse time to get over it's issues. All the data say he's a miler so no wonder he's looked poor in both runs. Delacroix showed so much speed in the Derby trial they must have had doubts about stamina especially with its breeding. Lambourn clocked a rapid last furlong at chester,as did lazy gruff so I wasn't surprised the were in the top 3. The evidence was all there.
 
Reflecting on 2-1 favourite Delacroix

, who got shuffled back in the early skirmishes and finished ninth, and The Lion In Winter, who came home 14th of the 18-strong field, he said: "Delacroix met trouble which wasn't ideal and just got back too far then. Maybe he's a mile-and-a-quarter horse so there's a strong possibility he could drop back in trip. The Lion In Winter could drop back as well, he could be a miler."

Today's RP.
 
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I think O 'Brien let W.Lordan ride Lambourn to give him a Derby winner.
He has done it before,remember Padraig Beggy.
 


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