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I think Rory is on the money.... (NOne of it is personal EC old chap) :)

Yes - rather than tying yourself in knots trying to come up with bizarre theories to the contrary, sometimes it is just simpler to accept the fact that the horse has just absolutely gagged up in a competitive 18 runner handicap off top weight and is an absolute machine...

Or it could just suggest he was absolutely miles better than the field.

4/9 sounds short at first, but I reckon it is about right. Who are the other serious contenders? Spencer wont go for it, nor Dettori, Seb unlikley to win it again, Hughes no chance. I'm struggling to think of many reasons to lay much bigger about Moore...

Agree Katchit looks a good bet for this. Ruby nailed on again as he was last year, but Choc doesn't look the worst 7-1 poke ever for the jockeys.

What about Dickie Johnson for the Jockeys SL- looked a big price to me?

In fairness it looks a bog standard division this season. I thought Katchit did well today, especially as he probably needed the run.

Good horse - still improving. Watching him today, it is hard to believe he couldnt go with them over 5f last time.

Matsunosuke really is on the up and was given a nice ride I thought. TG was disappointing really given how good he has been over this CD in the past. I thought today's run signalled that he is sadly no longer the force of old. Tony The Tap again ran like a horse that needs a test at 5f - he...

Ive always thought Tony The Tap needs a stiffer 5f than this Steve T. Texas Gold looks the one to beat to me - he has always been a much better horse over this CD than he is on turf, but the handicapper seems to have decided otherwise. I'm not sure which way the market will go though and Im not...

The legend off 80 on Lingfield's polytrack - yes please.

No problems EC

Good analysis as it turned out EC1... On today's evidence Tamagin isn't "all speed" and I was very disappointed that he seemed to struggle to lay up with them early doors. Still - he ran a creditable race without ever looking like winning and can maybe pick up a handicap over a stiff 5 or...

Yes - that is true EC - there is plenty of pace. However, for me it depends whether you think those horses are as quick as Tamagin. I certainly wasn't fancying him on the basis that he might nick a "soft" lead, more that he would be simply too fast for the others.... As to all the other stuff -...

:laughing: Dear oh dear EC1 The thread developed away from "how are you at pricing a race up" to discussing the horses originally in question. "Thread development" it is called - happens quite a lot on forums I think you will find...... I could have started another thread specifically about...

DJ. I was quite pleased that there was some supposed pace opposition to Tamagin, as it may mean that the price might just be that bit bigger. I will be disappointed if he doesnt win tomorrow.

Tomorrow is the day, Wolverhampton the venue, 5 furlongs and 20 yards the trip. TAMAGIN - GATE TO WIRE

Was the cut off point not the end of last year's NH season then Arkwright? That would have been the Betfred Gold CUp day - 28th April? I'm happy to stand corrected if this isn't the case, but I think Zilcash's win came on the second day of the new season.

No reason then. Thought not :laughing:

Why not?