11 Year Old Boy Shot Dead

Nooo, we mustn't lock people up, thats against their rights, just give them an a-level in killing people and send them on their way.
 
Police have made two arrests this morning over the shooting. Boy of 15, and one of 18.

No doubt there will be some ridiculous leniency for the younger of the two due to his age. What the hell is going on in this country at present. Is it any wonder yesterdays top story was about the record number of people emigrating.
 
I personally have said on here and on other forums too, that the law needs to change as a great matter of urgency.....but still these P-C people respond back and say these arseholes have rights, and can't be treated as criminals although they have committed these dreadful acts ..

Just imagine what the poor parents have to go through as regards this and other kids parents, that are being killed in their teens! The law has got to be invoked in a proper manner and judges sentence these people to a sentence that fits the said crimes, not as it is now..

Bring back hanging and the cat, then and only then will we see a fall in murders and attacks such as we are seeing of late, the law as become a mockery, there is no deterrent at all...........

These P-C people say the killer is only this age! And can't be sentenced accordingly to the degree of the crime, I say treat like with like, an eye for an eye or hard labour not holiday camps, and then they are released early with remission! The victims never ever had this choice did they???????

Look at the report yesterday, on the two that shot the unharmed lady police officer, they attacked another (lifer) inmate in Durham jail with a knife and the guy needed hospital treatment if these two were hanged when found overwhelmingly guilty as they were, this would not have happend, if ever there’s a classic case for these two! Why not have hanged them after shooting this police officer...........
 
Originally posted by Merlin the Magician@Aug 23 2007, 11:09 AM
I personally have said on here and on other forums too, that the law needs to change as a great matter of urgency.....but still these P-C people respond back and say these arseholes have rights, and can't be treated as criminals although they have committed these dreadful acts ..

Just imagine what the poor parents have to go through as regards this and other kids parents, that are being killed in their teens! The law has got to be invoked in a proper manner and judges sentence these people to a sentence that fits the said crimes, not as it is now..

Bring back hanging and the cat, then and only then will we see a fall in murders and attacks such as we are seeing of late, the law as become a mockery, there is no deterrent at all...........

These P-C people say the killer is only this age! And can't be sentenced accordingly to the degree of the crime, I say treat like with like, an eye for an eye or hard labour not holiday camps, and then they are released early with remission! The victims never ever had this choice did they???????

Look at the report yesterday, on the two that shot the unharmed lady police officer, they attacked another (lifer) inmate in Durham jail with a knife and the guy needed hospital treatment if these two were hanged when found overwhelmingly guilty as they were, this would not have happend, if ever there’s a classic case for these two! Why not have hanged them after shooting this police officer...........
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Well let's say, for example, that the completely infallible British Justice system were to convict the wrong man (or woman) of a capital crime...

Be a bit late to win your case on appeal if you'd have been hanged already. Hard to put eyes back in too.

Tell you what, let's just go back to public lynchings.. it'll be quicker and less expensive after all.
 
When I was 11yo, I did some really stupid things, some of which would probably be classed as criminal nowadays (whereas it was 'mischief' in my time), so...

For throwing a brick at a window, am I to have bricks thrown at me?

For killing a bird with a catapult and stone, am I to be put to death in a similar manner?

For stealing birds' eggs from thier nests, am I to have my offspring taken from me?

The way I see it, if anyone wants a society where limbs are cut off for stealing, or the taking of a life is punished by death, why don't they apply to live in such a country? There's no shortage of them in the world.
 
Well all you clever dicks what’s the answer??? I have put forward a suggestion on how to counteract this huge current problem ?? I see the same people have answered my thread again! With snide remarks or and a depth of cynicism....

Is there any fear of one of you three putting something constructive on here instead of waiting to try and take the pizz when someone post a thread in relation to the laws of this land, that are not obviously working at present,??????????

If a referendum was called I would vote for capital punishment to be re-introduced............
 
Originally posted by Desert Orchid@Aug 23 2007, 03:08 PM
When I was 11yo, I did some really stupid things, some of which would probably be classed as criminal nowadays (whereas it was 'mischief' in my time), so...

For throwing a brick at a window, am I to have bricks thrown at me?

For killing a bird with a catapult and stone, am I to be put to death in a similar manner?

For stealing birds' eggs from thier nests, am I to have my offspring taken from me?

The way I see it, if anyone wants a society where limbs are cut off for stealing, or the taking of a life is punished by death, why don't they apply to live in such a country? There's no shortage of them in the world.
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Did you kill anyone?
 
Originally posted by Merlin the Magician@Aug 23 2007, 09:04 PM
Well all you clever dicks what’s the answer??? I have put forward a suggestion on how to counteract this huge current problem ?? I see the same people have answered my thread again! With snide remarks or and a depth of cynicism....

Is there any fear of one of you three putting something constructive on here instead of waiting to try and take the pizz when someone post a thread in relation to the laws of this land, that are not obviously working at present,??????????

If a referendum was called I would vote for capital punishment to be re-introduced............
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The point is, Merlin, that the laws you (and others) are proposing have been tried or are already/still in operation in many, many other countries across the globe and they're in a helluva worse state than the UK.
 
Originally posted by Merlin the Magician@Aug 23 2007, 09:04 PM
Well all you clever dicks what’s the answer??? I have put forward a suggestion on how to counteract this huge current problem ?? I see the same people have answered my thread again! With snide remarks or and a depth of cynicism....

Is there any fear of one of you three putting something constructive on here instead of waiting to try and take the pizz when someone post a thread in relation to the laws of this land, that are not obviously working at present,??????????

If a referendum was called I would vote for capital punishment to be re-introduced............
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Point out to me the part of your initial post on this thread that is constructive. I reckon I will be waiting a good long while.

Your 'suggestion' is simply the most obvious knee jerk reaction to the issue. Reactions like this are indicative of today's society which is what produces such tragedies at this - it's just another symptom of the problem.

The problem is a society wide one which (amazingly) David Cameron summed up well in a speech the day before the shooting. As for how to tackle it, I don't know - I'm not a sociologist or in Government, nor do I seek to be.
 
I'm not backing Merlin's call here, but draconian measures did seem to work in the old communist block. e.g. steal a car, salt mines for 12 years. I'm certainly not advocating it, I'm just wondering why it worked for them. Was it because there wasn't the same amount of envy under that system and the population were united by their dislike of the government or am I talking a load of ###### and regurgitating some propoganda I read?
 
Tom - you wouldn;t hurt or eat an animal but 12 years in a salt mine for car theft might be OK?. As you might say yourself; :what:

Interesting to compare the way this issue has been dealt with on TH Vs FF if you get a chance to read it.
 
I'm guessing it worked for them because they didn't have to worry about such niceties as civil liberties, human rights and due process.
 
Draconian measures didn't work - they just suppressed the people.

Newton's law: every action enforces an equal and opposite reaction. In the case of the countries you mention it just took a long time.

The British Government tried an somewhat equivalent approach in Northern Ireland with internment - didn't that turn out well.
 
What a truly appalling tragedy. Seeing the boy`s parents on TV was heartbreaking.

As for how you stop this sort of thing, I really don`t know. All that we seem to get are the predictable simplistic "solutions" to an immensely complex problem.
 
The zero tolerance policy Guliani implemented when he was elected mayor of New York worked very well.

It`s a tough one though, give the Police too much power and it`s open to abuse. I was watching Crimewatch the other day and one of the reconstructions showed an organised bunch of armed robbers in a car chase with Police. At one point they got cornered and one of them exited the car and brandished a crow bar at the police car which had stopped. I think in a situation like that the driver would have been justified in mowing him down.
 
Originally posted by an capall@Aug 24 2007, 12:29 PM
Tom - you wouldn;t hurt or eat an animal but 12 years in a salt mine for car theft might be OK?. As you might say yourself; :what:
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AC, I did say I certainly wasn't advocating it (although I was aware every cnut would miss that part in their rush to reply).

FU, Are you saying that if N.I. hadn't been an apartheid state the population would've taken up car theft as a cause?

Gareth may be part correct with his "I'm giessing it worked for them because they didn't have to worry about such niceties as civil liberties, human rights and due process". I can't help but think though that it was at least partly due to there not being the same envy in society.
 
Thought I had really good day out in store today. Was meeting in pub for a couple of drinks, heading over to pub next to Tranmere's ground to watch Liverpool game before free tickets to watch Tranmere v Brighton, as a friend of ours has secured place in Tranmere starting eleven. Then on way, one of frineds pointed out who the youngster was. I went through junior school in the same class as his dad, and also played amateur football with him for a couple of years later on.

Now, his dad was the quietet, mellowest person you could wish to meet. Several friends who went to senior school with him attest to the fact they played sports with him and never knew he was there. It seems from word on the streest that this all stems back to an on-giong feud between rival gangs in Croxteth and Norris Green, two ajoining areas in north Liverpool. Alledgedly, a gang member frok one group was shot point blank on his release from Walton prison ( in Liverpool ) not that long ago. Since then, anyone connected to either gang has become fair game. Unfortunately, this on-going feud escalatedthe other night to a completely random shooting from kids connected to one of the gangs. In case anyone may thing otherwsie, I do not know of, or could EVER comprehend little Rhys's family being connected in any way shape or form to the events taken place.

I feel deeply upset that although I knew this was more or ess on my doorstep, I didn't really take notice of all the facts.
 
How in gods name can they release a 15 year old on bail who is a main suspect, that to me is absolutely dreadful, if they have charged him conencted to case he should not be bailed.
 
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