2-y-os 2016 incorporating First Season Sires

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Copying over some of the stuff from the other thread.


Here is a list of sires whose progeny will be strutting their stuff for the first time in 2016:




Americain


Bated Breath


Born To Sea


Casamento


Delegator


Doncaster Rover


Dragon Pulse


Elzaam


Excelebration


Fame And Glory


Famous Name


Foxwedge


Frankel


Harbour Watch


Mayson


Nathaniel


Power


Rio Del Plata


Sayif


Sepoy


Sir Prancelot


So You Think


Yorgunnabelucky


and three from the US


Bodemeister


Shackleford


Union Rags


I'm indebted to the B2-y-oR site for the list.


A wide variety of racecourse ability and stud fees for the above.


I've had a quick look around for a market but was unsuccessful, if someone should stumble over some prices I would be extremely grateful if you would post them here.
 
RaceBets have published odds for the FSS 2016:


Leading First-Season Sire by number of individual winners (UK & Ireland only, 2016 Turf Season March 20th - November 5th, bets are win only)


Frankel 2/1
Excelebration 3/1
Harbour Watch 5/1
Casamento 6/1
Bated Breath 7/1
Born To Sea 14/1
Sir Prancealot 14/1
Nathaniel 14/1
Power 16/1
Sepoy 20/1
Dragon Pulse 20/1
Elzaam 25/1
Helmet 25/1
Foxwedge 25/1
Mayson 25/1
Requinto 40/1
Delegator 66/1
Famous Name 100/1
Sayif 100/1
So You Think 100/1
 
Quote Originally Posted by EC1 View Post
The first 2yo race of this season at Curragh saw a decent figure..91 for Mr Trader ....and won comfy...a similar figure to State Of Emergency;s speed figure last year..that one won a decent early race last year afterwards so it might auger well for another win for this years winner before the bigger guns start coming.


So up to press these are the fastest 2yo's of the season


91+ Mr Trader
75 Comhghairdeas
68 Callender


These were recorded on Heavy Ground..-44 lengths per mile slow
Looks like Johnston has hit the ground running again..if todays 2yo winner is only one of his lower lights then he must have some ammo, We have a new fastest 2yo with Mr Trader only leading for a week.


Sutter County goes to the top with a 97 speed rating after winning by 9 lengths..more to come as was pretty green.
 
First winner for a First Season Sire as Boater takes the first at Kempton (in scintillating style) for HELMET.
Ah! but a man's reach should exceed his grasp......
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.............and Chupalla follows up with a second winner for HELMET.
Ah! but a man's reach should exceed his grasp......
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Quote Originally Posted by Colin Phillips View Post
First winner for a First Season Sire as Boater takes the first at Kempton (in scintillating style) for HELMET.
like shelling peas for MJ..re run of last year..couldn't believe that was odds against tbh...KP said it was head and shoulders above rest as with first winner earlier
 
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Sutter County goes to the top with a 97 speed rating after winning by 9 lengths..more to come as was pretty green.
He'd rate even higher on my figures, EC, although I'm pretty sure my scale is different to yours in any event.


He comes out 25lbs better than the 78-rated winner of the 5f handicap later on the card. He was eased down, there's no reason to think he won't transfer this form to turf and it's not fanciful at all to see him already as a realistic Royal Ascot contend
 
i use the 0-140 scale that OHR's are on Gus..but i don't use the wfa scale the same as they do..or mine would be higher too..i use same wfa scale every year so i know where i am with them.


On my figures a Royal Ascot 2yo needs to run or show something like a 108+ on debut..or higher incl wfa..on 2nd run...last year Buratino ran a 100 fto..which is a decent debut..if i see a debut near 110 before Ascot i take notice. I didn't back Buratino at Ascot as by that point i'd others with bigger figures.


any 2yo that can run 3 figures on debut is decent on my figures


Sutter County is decent because he was so green and must improve a fair bit on that


you know what its like though..after a month or 2 there will be quite a few 2yo in the 90's before Ascot and it all starts getting much of a muchness unless you get a stand out figure
 
First Season Sire, POWER has his first winner with his first runner, Peace Envoy, in the first at Dundalk. It was also the first 2-y-o winner of the season for Aiden O'Brien.
 
Very early table:




STALLION WINNERS–RUNNERS WINS RUNS 2ND 3RD 4TH WIN PRIZE TOTAL PRIZE
Helmet 3–4 75% 3 4 1 0 0 £11,673 £12,732
Sir Prancealot 3–11 27% 3 18 2 1 1 £9,057 £12,379
Power 1–1 100% 1 1 0 0 0 £6,783 £6,783
Dragon Pulse 1–4 25% 1 4 1 0 0 £4,528 £5,683
Elzaam 0–1 — 0 2 2 0 0 £0 £4,191
Bated Breath 0–3 — 0 4 2 0 2 £0 £2,670
Foxwedge 0–3 — 0 4 0 2 0 £0 £1,165
Harbour Watch 0–4 — 0 5 0 1 1 £0 £722
Sayif 0–3 — 0 4 0 1 1 £0 £649
So You Think 0–1 — 0 1 0 0 1 £0 £515
Excelebration 0–2 — 0 2 0 0 1 £0 £289
Casamento 0–1 — 0 1 0 0 0 £0 £0
Born To Sea 0–1 — 0 1 0 0 0 £0 £0
Mayson 0–1 — 0 1 0 0 0 £0 £0
 
A couple of interestingly bred 2-y-os make their debuts at Naas this evening.


In the first (4.35), the first 6f. race of the season, BEAN FEASA is a Dubai half-sister to Teofilo.


At 6.10 HOW is a full-sister to Minding but she doesn't appear to be the stable's selected.
 
Right we're up to date with two winners for FSS this afternoon.

Brighton 1.50 FSS SAYIF wins with Sayesse.

Bath 2.45 Another winner for HELMET with Kreb's Cycle.
 
At Newmarket, Global Applause becomes FSS MAYSON's first winner, well backed and quite impressive on debut.

.......and at Salisbury, Stormy Clouds was a facile winner for SIR PRANCELOT.
 
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