2000 Guineas - Newmarket 6 June 2020

Last year I hoped that Arizona might put it to the favourite but as you say I think he is exceptional.
 
The only issue is the fact Pinatubo is small;has he grown or progressed enough through the winter ?
The 2000 Gns was always said to be the last two year old race ;will it still be so a month later ?
He looked exceptional through last year; let us hope he keeps it up .
Godolphin need him to.
 
Pinatubo could bolt up but I've gone with Kameko. Like what I've seen and travels well. He should be in the mix and if fave falters then I can see him winning. Baldings horses running well as well.
 
Well done Tincan.
I stuck with Military March ew and he ran a solid race. I am happy with my AP now.
Pinatubo despite his admirable record, I have never warmed to (yes I know but sometimes it’s just like that), looks like either the others have all caught up with him or he doesn’t quite get the mile.
The winner although again admirable, doesn’t do it for me either. I don’t like him physically. He looked like a lean greyhound, trained to the minute and fair play to connections. But as for the Derby, for me I don’t like his action for Epsom (I’ve got this wrong in the past.....Commander In Chief I thought had poor knees!). For me with that speed on lightning quick ground that both his sire and dam showed a liking for, I cannot see him getting the trip.
Wichita was the one to take from this physically. He really has grown into his frame well.
Arizona v disappointing.
 
I accept Buick didn't make any excuses but something didn't seem right about Pinatubo. I thought he cane there ready to put the race to bed but nothing happened.

Was he over-trained? Did he leave the race on the gallops?

I've no idea but I'm hoping he goes on to show this performance was all wrong.
 
To me he was an early two year old who kept improving. He has possibly reached his limit and others who were physically not as forward or mature have now caught up and have improved over the winter - Wichita especially is a big framed colt who is much stronger.
But I would possibly think of dropping him back to 7?
 
Agree that he seems not to have advanced as much as others (Wichita found 6l on the Dewhurst form) and he probably didn't stay. Might have done last year, but unlikely to this, in a top class race run at a decent pace.
Imo, of course.
 
Cheers. I dont fancy him for the derby either but he'll be hard to beat in any 1m to 1m2f races. I know they probably have to go for the derby but think he could be a star if they targeted the slightly shorter distances
 
Well he will at least be running over his optimum.

Shame for Goodwood though as he must be tempted with Siskin the only danger.
 
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He's no laydown over 7f either. He reached the peak of his precocity in the race before the Dewhurst, and plenty have improved past him since.
 
Pinatubo is a miler
Last time at Ascot , it was a very run and just was outspeeded by a better horse
 
sunybay said:
Pinatubo is a miler
Last time at Ascot , it was a very run and just was outspeeded by a better horse
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I've no doubt Palace Pier would beat him over a mile nearly everywhere. Goodwood is possibly one place he could overturn the form unless crazy fractions.
 
He won't be going to the Sussex - you can take that to the bank.

Suny;Pinatubo was a miler, he's not now
 
Jamie Lynch the latest to try and convince himself that Pinatubo's a miler:
https://www.attheraces.com/blogs/jamie-lynch/16-July-2020/the-pinatubo-story
His long and turgid soliloquy deliberately swerves a couple of glaring facts, though:
His finishing speed in the Jean Prat was entirely due to the steady early pace and it being over 7f.
Connections will obviously be keen to establish him as a proven gp1 miler, so they've mooted the Breeder's Cup, around much the sha'rpest track he's ever raced over.
Hed stilll be a long way from a laydown, though.
 
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I go back to the sectionals in the SJP. Clock watchers think Pinatubo was simply beaten by speed rather than stamina.
The fact Pinatubo fell back in to the lap of Wichita yet was still quicker in that last furlong is telling.

Between the 2 and just before the half furlong Pinatubo looked like he might get it done (Would like to know that split).
At that point PP got on top of him as he then fell back in to Witchita.
Sectionals are hugely important as is seeing how the race unfolds in front of you.
 
Sectionals are garbage - unless one takes proper account of the circumstances, which JL has palbably failed to do in his misguided (and excruciately boring) missive.
 
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