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2023 Ebor

Desert Orchid

Desert Orchid

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There's usually a thread on this by now but I couldn't find one when looking.

I was wondering when Vauban, who had been clear favourite the last time I looked, was taken out?

I take it they're focusing on Melbourne?

For me, Vauban's absence opens the race up a fair bit and I'm already on a few ante-post so maybe people can give their fancies a mention on here (ideally accompanied by some kind of rationale).
 
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A couple horses on my radar early. Worth a mention on here, but that's all at this stage.

Live You Dream has hardly ever ran a bad race the past season or two since he was gelded. I thought he won well the other day and deserves his place in the market.

I think Adjuvant will prove to be an enigma. He ran fifth when I fancied him for the Northumberland Plate. They don't go slow gallops in those type of races, so it was all the more remarkable, that to my naked eye, later confirmed by comments in running, he was keen for about 90 percent of the 2 mile + journey but still managed to finish a creditable fifth.

I doubt he would be good enough to land The Ebor, but I would be interested if they tryed some headgear on him or even a tongue tie, or something to get him to settle. If they did that and I could get him at fair odds nearer the day I'd chance him, as I think he'd hold a good place chance.

As I say, I won't be backing either of these anytime soon but worth mentions. I look forward to hearing others opinions on the likely contenders.
 
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My first bet was Soulcome (25/1) after he won the Melrose but he was soon sold to race in Australia and I presume is being aimed at the Melbourne Cup. That was a tad annoying. He had gone up to 97 for winning the Melrose but his first run down south saw him post an RPR of 114. RPRs are, on average, 5lbs shy of my own figures so it isn't beyond the realms of possibility that I'd have him higher than 114. One that got away? (Literally.)

I've had Get Shirty in mind for the race for a while but hadn't committed until Outsider and Chaumi put it on here very recently. I've already posted the rationale ahead of one or two of his races this season.

And now I've taken Euchen Glen (50s). If he can scrape in off his current mark he'll be something like 4lbs lower than when a bit unlucky in running in last year's race, beaten just over three lengths.
 
Shirty mentioned already, but I'm also keeping an eye on what O'Meara is up to with Charging Thunder.

And I just noticed a fascinating Mullins entry - Jackfinbar. A son of Whipper, possibly the last one still running? Came back from 1400+ days away on 4th July with an eyecatching run in a Roscommon listed race. Have a look, it's a cracking run given that time off. Don't know if he'll get in (or make it, ofc).
 
Yes, I was keeping Charging Thunder on my radar because I will be backing it for tomorrow's race (only one bookie has priced the race up). I was planning to get on before tomorrow's off. It needs to win to have any chance of making the cut.
 
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Didn’t Mullins get Sesenta into the Ebor off bottom weight? And, if my memory is working ( not guaranteed) with a claimer on?
 
Yes I remember Soulcombe last year. I suppose it boosts Adjuvants credentials that he came third behind Soulcombe that day. Time will tell.
 
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Not quite bottom weight but the claimer would have taken it down to the equivalent.

Incredible to think that a rating of 91 made the cut that year.
 
We used to go when the race was on a Wednesday. It’s still one of my favourite races but I can never find the winner these days. Pre internet I didn’t know till we got to the track if Sesenta would be running. I think that, back then, it was quite rare for Mullins to bring horses over here apart from the Festival. Still have a lovely memory of watching beautiful Nanton parading under the trees in the old pre parade ring. And Overturn is still having a happy retirement I believe. (where does the time go…)
 
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Didn’t Mullins get Sesenta into the Ebor off bottom weight? And, if my memory is working ( not guaranteed) with a claimer on?
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Gary Carroll as a boy.
12 months later to the day I met WPM at a service station at Kildorrery coming from Killarney races where he had no winner.
How the mighty have fallen, I thought ( prematurely and incorrectly !)
You live and you learn .
 
did you notice Nagano's run on Friday at Royal Ascot in the Duke Of Edinburgh? My God, he was murdered when making eye-catching ground. He's lightly raced (unraced at two)and that was his first run for nearly two years. His last run before that was in a Gp 2 @ Goodwood, when he finished 2nd over 1m 6f.

Have a look. He might get in the Ebor with 9-3 as it stands. The Duke of Edinburgh was won by Okita Soushi, whom I backed in last year's Ebor but he blew out.

Nagano 16/1 at present with 365 so not unfancied, I'd suggest.
 
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A couple horses on my radar early. Worth a mention on here, but that's all at this stage.

Live You Dream has hardly ever ran a bad race the past season or two since he was gelded. I thought he won well the other day and deserves his place in the market.

I think Adjuvant will prove to be an enigma. He ran fifth when I fancied him for the Northumberland Plate. They don't go slow gallops in those type of races, so it was all the more remarkable, that to my naked eye, later confirmed by comments in running, he was keen for about 90 percent of the 2 mile + journey but still managed to finish a creditable fifth.

I doubt he would be good enough to land The Ebor, but I would be interested if they tryed some headgear on him or even a tongue tie, or something to get him to settle. If they did that and I could get him at fair odds nearer the day I'd chance him, as I think he'd hold a good place chance.

As I say, I won't be backing either of these anytime soon but worth mentions. I look forward to hearing others opinions on the likely contenders.
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Live The Dream carries the top weight and looks like Adjuvant made the cut with bottom weight.

At the prices I might back Adjuvant nearer the time with decent each way terms.

He could get nearer to Sweet William on better ground than last time. He should be up there from the get-go aswell so I should get a run for my money.

I wish he wasn't so keen in his races as he could do a lot better if it were not for that.
 
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Novakai ran 2nd behind Soul Sister after a 7 month lay off.

Things never worked out for her when she travelled to France and that run is best forgotten.

Despite travelling a bit freely early on and pricking her ears and looking at everything like she had never seen a racecourse before she absolutely stormed home.

This Group 1 may look like a big ask but this is a very classy filly on the up and the 8/1 has been snatched up
 
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My first bet was Soulcome (25/1) after he won the Melrose but he was soon sold to race in Australia and I presume is being aimed at the Melbourne Cup. That was a tad annoying. He had gone up to 97 for winning the Melrose but his first run down south saw him post an RPR of 114. RPRs are, on average, 5lbs shy of my own figures so it isn't beyond the realms of possibility that I'd have him higher than 114. One that got away? (Literally.)
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Just looking at the Melbourne Cup, it's all the more galling that Soulcombe has now posted RPRs of 117 and is second fav behind Vauban for the race.

And to think he could have got into the Ebor off about 97...

(Where's the boke emoji when you need it.)
 

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