Alan Berry

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Isn't it high time he had his licence revoked simply for having horses running which are patently unable to raise a gallop for more that three furlongs. He has turned out plenty of recent runners which have to be virtually pulled up, even in sprints. I'm told they do most of their "work" on a horse walker! And how the bloody hell do owners keep horses with him in the first place ~ it surely can't be the sparkling company? :suspect: :suspect:
 
Ah, sounds like he's patented Daddy's training methods! In t'old days, Jack used to have them tacked up, stuck on the walker then pulled off by a workrider who would jump straight on, canter it & return it to the walker....

...10 lots a day those work riders used to do!!!!! :eek:
 
When Jack trained the two year olds you expected them to be sharp and more often than not in the winners enclosure.
Nowadays I'm gobsmacked when they don't finish last (as happened with Carnival Dream mentioned elsewhere)
If I could have got a bet on the spreads on how far last Bovered would have finished last by the other day at Hamilton I'd have bought!
Myself and a work colleague always keep an eye on the horses as a laugh to see how they perform and we are never let down as they continue to fail miserably.
Why on earth would u keep going with a horse like Perfect Reflection (unless your name was Donal Nolan,another trainer with quality beasts in his care).
Ran off a mark of 25 in a bad maiden the other day,has not beaten one horse in 4 starts and has been beaten a total of 124 1/2 lengths in those four races.
Still when Peter's Imp dots up at Cartmel on Monday we'll be wondering what we were on about.
 
For the record, and in the interests of fact and clarity, Alan Berry is leasing boxes to trainer Bruce Hellier, who's come over from Germany and is the real trainer of CARNIVAL DREAM, but couldn't put his name to her as his licence hasn't yet come through. Bruce is riding work himself and 'Bonny' as she was known to Julie and me, is in his hands, not Berry's. Once Bruce has his licence approved for the UK, it will be his name on the race cards. I did make it VERY clear in the topic about her that Bruce told me she would NOT be knocked about in her first race as he wanted her to have a happy introduction to racing. That she has had and has shown good promise on her debut, with Royston following sensible instructions. Anyone who thinks it's a bright idea to knock debut 2 y.o.'s around is an idiot.
 
I don't see any suggestion in this thread that anyone has even touched upon 2yos being knocked about Kri. shrug::
 
I brought this up a few yrs ago on here re. his runners to winners! And was castigated by a few on here..but he had a benchmark created by his father that he would-could never reach, o k I doubt he has the horses to achieve this now but when first going off he did, as in most fields of life, success breeds success and its far from apparent in his case............
 
Quite right, they haven't! norty I just want to head off at the pass any thoughts that whatever Berry does or doesn't do, his methods don't apply to Bonny. It seemed a bit of a coincidence that after I put up a thread about her first outing, there was one started about Berry and his lousy methods. She's living in a rented box of his, is all.
 
Presumably Allahor,due to run this evening is one of Hellier's as it is owned by H R H Prince of Saxe-Weimar who according to Wikipedia is 549th in line of succession to the British throne.
Just below Lord H in the pecking order then!
 
Originally posted by Arkwright@May 24 2007, 11:31 AM
Just below Lord H in the pecking order then!
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I am descended from Muirchertach Ua Briain, the great-grandson of Brian Bóruma mac Cennétig, better known to the English as Brian Boru, and am therefore entitled to lay claim to the High Kingship of Ireland. Which I now formally do.
 
No, you're not. You're descended from a line of Irish sports commentators, and the best you can hope for is a cast-off old microphone as a souvenir.
 
Oh I'm sure Rory didn't start this thread in connection with your filly Kri - he's been slagging Berry for longer then I can remember!!!
 
Originally posted by Shadow Leader@May 24 2007, 08:50 PM
Oh I'm sure Rory didn't start this thread in connection with your filly Kri - he's been slagging Berry for longer then I can remember!!!
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Thank god there was no typo there!!
 
Originally posted by Shadow Leader@May 23 2007, 10:28 PM
Ah, sounds like he's patented Daddy's training methods! In t'old days, Jack used to have them tacked up, stuck on the walker then pulled off by a workrider who would jump straight on, canter it & return it to the walker....

...10 lots a day those work riders used to do!!!!! :eek:
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well they haven't changed much then!! a old friend told me the ones going racing were lucky, as they got a brush on them norty
 
Well Peters Imp went to Cartmel today instead (and almost won).
After 267 days without a winner though Snow Dancer has just won at Beverley at 33's for the stable.
It's Berry's birthday as well.
 
I'm glad to put another side to this - a woman who's started raceday work told me today that she had a filly she bred with Alan Berry, and said the horse was very well treated and could see the horse at any time, without prior appointment. She herself has had to give up competitive riding due to a broken back which is now fragile, but she still schools and is very knowledgeable. Her background has been breeding, owning racehorses, eventing, and showjumping, so we're not talking about some horse-goofy know-nothing.
 
Well, I suppose sooner or later, he was going to end up with a stable full of well handicapped horses.

As his good pal Guesty knows, it is possible to win a race with a horse that is running 3 stone below its potential - providing its handicap mark is 3.5 stone below its true ability (Ref. St Pirran).

It got me thinking...

...if I ever have a horse in training, I am going to send it to Alan Berry for its first 3 runs. The horse and jockey will be trying their best, so no rules of racing will be broken. Then, I send the beast to my favourite trainer (Linda Perratt), win 5 races in the space of a fortnight, then send it back to Berry for a few months until it has been dropped 3 stone by the handicapper and repeat.

Fiendish eh! Sir Mark Prescott should employ me as a consultant.
 
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