Another One Of Blairs Promises? Pdj Etc

Merlin the Magician

Merlin the Magician

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NO DOUBT WILL DIE ITS DEATH!! BEFORE EVEN GETTING OFF THE GROUND!! ANOTHER PROMISE LIKE THE TREATMENT OF THE YOB CULTURE ETC ETC......................

I JUST LOVE THIS GOVERNMENT THEY INTRODUCE SO MANY BILLS OR ANTIDOTES AND CARRY OUT VERY FEW................... :o :rolleyes:

But I am not in full agreement with this! if it does come to fruition? its passing the onus/buck on to teachers and being quite candid they have enough to do at present.... but yes I agree that there certainly needs to be a lot of discipline re introduced into the schools but surely its the parents that need to be made more aware and prosecuted as such! if the child fails to tow the line etc but again time will no doubt be of the esssence? in this proposition? :rolleyes:
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The right of teachers to discipline and physically restrain unruly pupils will be set in stone if plans to tackle bad behaviour in the classroom are adopted.A report by the Government's school discipline taskforce urges new laws to clearly set out teachers' rights.

It is felt too many pupils and parents question the authority of teachers.

Under the proposals, there would be a greater use of parenting contracts and pupils could be searched for drugs and stolen property as well as weapons.

taskforce also called for a new national charter setting out the rights and responsibilities for good behaviour of all pupils, parents and teachers.

Parents of excluded children who are caught in the streets or shops during school hours could also be fined.

Schools Minister Jacqui Smith said the existing legal right to restrain needs to be reaffirmed and clarified.

Taskforce chairman Sir Alan Steer, a headteacher from Seven Kings High School in Essex, has previously warned Tony Blair that he wants his recommendations implemented.

It was made up of 13 headteachers and other senior staff, who argue that teachers' existing right to act "in loco parents" was too vulnerable to legal challenge.

Education Secretary Ruth Kelly set up the taskforce earlier this year to consider how to improve classroom discipline.

The National Union of Teachers has welcomed the report's findings.

NUT general secretary Steve Sinnott said: "An unambiguous right to discipline pupils will be welcomed by every teacher around the country."
 
Yesterday, the Deputy Head at my school was atacked by a pupil in front of 10 others. the pupil threatened him and then when the Dep. Head didn't back down, he punched him in the face three times. Thank God it's the holidays!!
 
Ironic how now the child can smack the adult but the adult cannot smack the child.

Its a F***************** joke
 
That is untrue. Unless different laws exist in the West Midlands the pupil has committed the criminal offence of assault in front of ten witnesses.
 
The police are already involved and statements have been taken. The pupils were unwilling to "grass" on their mate but thankfully it was all on CCTV cameras
 
Last year in the ELY district of CARDIFF a guy the father of a pupil went to the school and gave a teacher an hiding broke his arm too, they let him off on a years conditional discharge.......... brilliant hey!!! What a deterrent for other parents? They should have locked him up and chucked the key away............... :rolleyes:

This obviously is the reason for all these kids going nuts there's no deterrent at all..........

Going off the subject but on the subject? If you get my gist!! An innocent lady pensioner 75yrs old was in a bargain shop in the city centre at noon on Wednesday and she got stabbed to death...

From what I have heard she(the attacker) had just come out of the nick 500yds away and wanted to get back in there.. Doesn’t that just speak volumes about the law and its deterrents......? :angy: :angy:
 
If anything, it suggests that the instiutionalising of people in prisons can do more harm than good.
 
Originally posted by Merlin the Magician@Oct 21 2005, 01:09 PM
I JUST LOVE THIS GOVERNMENT THEY INTRODUCE SO MANY BILLS OR ANTIDOTES AND CARRY OUT VERY FEW
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I don't understand - what bills have been passed and then abandoned?
 
:o HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE HEARD THIS THEN....The quality of policing is going to improve yea yea yea!!... AND THIS we’ll employ more police yea yea yea!!!!. EDUCATION EDUCATION, EDUCATION!!..(where are all the POLICE are they in Surrey? :o )

BRIAN you ought to go to any or most areas or urban cities in England and no doubt Scotland and here in WALES and see it, read it in every local rag/newspaper,(the South Wales Echo has two pages dedicated to yobs and their yobbish behaviour phone in to an help line if you need help in tonights copies) for yourself, elderly and young people are afraid to go out or into towns because of lack of policing they do not feel safe etc etc....... well its definitely got worse down here I can assure you...


A meeting took place on Wednesday this week; in the Marriott hotel in Cardiff 2 of my neighbours went along and a few from most districts/areas of the city it’s heading YOBBISH CULTURE WHAT CAN BE DONE!!! And how does it affect you???

It gave people a chance to voice their opinions(WITHOUT REPRISALS) but was called by MORI POLLSTER’S they where paid to attend it too... no police or council members were present.............

And some of the stories the people related (to my neighbours) were just so unbelievable as my neighbours told me what problems they had been faced with arson attacks putting fireworks and lighted paper through her letter box one woman having to replace her wing mirror 7 times it had been kicked off by kids on bikes..breaking house windows by stone throwing.....
A rabbit(kids pet)stolen from an hutch and nailed by its ears to a wooden fence,(I had actually heard about that) another rabbit(kids pet again) stolen and left outside the owners front door dead having been knifed and they go on and on and on….

So were (MORI) they doing this for a political party to get a broader consensus??

This week (Wed evening) EGGS having been thrown at peoples windows in my street I have a DVD of that too. :o :angy:
 
It seems you have used the education thread to again go on a diatribe about how awful it is where you live.
 
It is impossible to have a rational discussion on this forum about crime



I think I'LL concede that...... as its pretty obvious its not universal policing!!! Of all areas.. it seems to change from town to town but reading the news it is applicable to a lot of areas...............but its as stated its far from pro rata all over the land?......................
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Originally posted by PDJ@Oct 21 2005, 09:39 PM
It seems you have used the education thread to again go on a diatribe about how awful it is where you live.
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Going off the subject but on the subject? If you get my gist!! An innocent lady pensioner 75yrs old was in a bargain shop in the city centre at noon on Wednesday and she got stabbed to death...

From what I have heard she(the attacker) had just come out of the nick 500yds away and wanted to get back in there.. Doesn’t that just speak volumes about the law and its deterrents......?


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:o No this was a separate entirety….. nothing at all to do with the education one I posted...see above......its not the place I live? its the lack of services that we don’t get being a rate payer having paid for services(and police) but never receive them that’s the grouse on my part and a lot of others as well in the community.................... :angy:
 
Originally posted by Merlin the Magician@Oct 21 2005, 08:36 PM
:o HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE HEARD THIS THEN....The quality of policing is going to improve yea yea yea!!... AND THIS we’ll employ more police yea yea yea!!!!. EDUCATION EDUCATION, EDUCATION!!..(where are all the POLICE are they in Surrey? :o )

....you ought to go to any or most areas or urban cities in England and no doubt Scotland and here in WALES and see it, read it in every local rag/newspaper,(the South Wales Echo has two pages dedicated to yobs and their yobbish behaviour phone in to an help line if you need help in tonights copies) for yourself, elderly and young people are afraid to go out or into towns because of lack of policing they do not feel safe etc etc....... well its definitely got worse down here I can assure you...

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And some of the stories the people related (to my neighbours) were just so unbelievable as my neighbours told me what problems they had been faced with arson attacks putting fireworks and lighted paper through her letter box one woman having to replace her wing mirror 7 times it had been kicked off by kids on bikes..breaking house windows by stone throwing.....

A rabbit(kids pet)stolen from an hutch and nailed by its ears to a wooden fence,(I had actually heard about that) another rabbit(kids pet again) stolen and left outside the owners front door dead having been knifed and they go on and on and on….

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This week (Wed evening) EGGS having been thrown at peoples windows in my street I have a DVD of that too. :o :angy:
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So nothing has really changed in 40 years.

One can hardly blame this government for that. They've only been in power for eight years.
 
Originally posted by Merlin the Magician@Oct 21 2005, 01:09 PM
I JUST LOVE THIS GOVERNMENT THEY INTRODUCE SO MANY BILLS OR ANTIDOTES AND CARRY OUT VERY FEW................... :o :rolleyes:
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"I don't understand - what bills have been passed and then abandoned?"
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I'm just after some facts, as I pointed out earlier, I was not aware of any bills that had been passed and then abandoned. I've read all the subsequent postings but I'm still none the wiser?
Were you perhaps mistaken?
 
Wasn't there some "curfew bill" they gave up on?

I must say I don't understand why more legislation is required so that a teacher can intervene if a pupil is assaulting another pupil or a member of staff. What law was passed that took away their right to do this? Why was it passed?
 
HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE HEARD THIS THEN....The quality of policing is going to improve yea yea yea!!... AND THIS we’ll employ more police yea yea yea!!!!. EDUCATION EDUCATION, EDUCATION!!..(where are all the POLICE are they in Surrey? )
This explains it I would have thought Brian that’s what I am on about if not BILLS in brackets but amendments??????????? Additions etc more being done, we never see any improvement this side of the SEVERN BRIDGE :o

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What are you talking about D/O? Its apparent now!! Was not this bad in this neck of the woods 40yrs ago….
I am well aware as to how long we have had this government or is this one of your jovial remarks again? :angy:
 
VEN they did impose a curfew about 500yds from my abode in another area for a period of 3 months 16 yr olds to be off the street by 7pm I believe but that's now been lifted while it was on, they all came to this area as it was outside the designated area so all the problems came here................ :rolleyes:
 
well they implemented it in the area I quoted, and carried it out too with the o/k from the WELSH ASSEMBLY and CHIEF CONSTABLE of South Wales...and lasted 3 months that’s how bad this yobbish behaviour is here..............
 
Clearly the point of this topic is that once again HMG is saying how it will support teachers. It has said so many times before but no real action is taken, little real legislation is even drafted let alone completed and then abandoned. All noise- no action ! Just another spin statement that aims to make it seem that they are doing things right.
 
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