Betfair Chase 2023

Protektorat doesn't take too well to being beaten.

It seems of late he either wins or is beaten by quite some distance.

Can't see him even coming close to beating BMG so I am taking a chance with a forecast on :-

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Sorry mate you never even got a run for your money.

Nothing Nico could have done.

Man against a beast that's 10 times his weight there's only one winner
 
You could be right some just don't retain their form and never recover it.

Can't see him being a force in the King George or the Gold Cup this time round
 
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Sorry mate you never even got a run for your money.

Nothing Nico could have done.

Man against a beast that's 10 times his weight there's only one winner
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If BMG had won it would have been hard to take especially given Harry Cobden’s comments about PDO not running up to his best.

BMG paying the price this season for hard races at Cheltenham and Punchestown in the spring I reckon. Worryingly one paced at the business end yesterday just as he was at Wetherby. Obviously it was first time out at Wetherby but that didn’t stop him last year


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I re-watched the Gold Cup a couple of times leading up to the current season and BMG went up in my estimation. It was a grueling race and I think coming from the rear was advantageous. I'm semi-interested in BMG for next year's race. Imo he needs to be fresh, I don't care about Wetherby as it's a Grade 2, yesterday was a bad plan.
 
Tnere's more than a possibility that BMG was outpaced yesterday and needs the stern test that the CGC provides.
Imo, his recent form entirely supports that view,and he joins a long list of horses that have found Haydock too sharp.
 
The RP describes the chase track at Haydock as galloping with stiff fence and the hurdles track as sharp.

I always think the stiffer the fences the more stamina required (due to the added physical effort of jumping the stiffer fences).

Happy to be corrected if this is a misconception or misinterpretation.
 
The RP are way off the mark Dessie. here a fact that shoots them down in flames.

Haydock's drop fences were scrapped years ago and now have much easier fences.

Since the first running of the Betfair Chase almost 20 years ago no horse has actually fallen in the race and only 3 unseated their riders 2 were rags and Kauto Star sent Sam bye bye :lol:
 
Yes, they took away the drops years ago but the fences still look pretty stiff just watching them on TV.

You don't get many taking them like hurdles the way they do at other tracks. They seem to approach them half a stride slower and try to get high over them. You also seem to get more running down them in the final straight, presumably through tiredness, and I'd like to see the stats for horses pulling up over the last three there compared to elsewhere.
 
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The RP are way off the mark Dessie. here a fact that shoots them down in flames.

Haydock's drop fences were scrapped years ago and now have much easier fences.

Since the first running of the Betfair Chase almost 20 years ago no horse has actually fallen in the race and only 3 unseated their riders 2 were rags and Kauto Star sent Sam bye bye :lol:
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Agree with all of that, Fist. Since the fences were altered and the flat course re-aligned, Haydock's nothing like the test it once was.
 
BMG's best performance was on Kempton's sharp 3m, I'd be more inclined to think that the CGC and this Betfair Chase have found him out for stamina, rather than the other way round.
 
Betfair Chase has basically become a pig of a race on a pig of a track and is almost certainly worth ignoring as far as KG and Gold Cup are concerned.

Henderson suggesting Shishkin might go in the Rehearsal Chase. Has at least been entered.
 
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BMG's best performance was on Kempton's sharp 3m, I'd be more inclined to think that the CGC and this Betfair Chase have found him out for stamina, rather than the other way round.
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Aye, you would - despite the strong pace,and soft ground,and ignoring his Gold Cup 2nd.:lol:
 
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Total falacy about Kempton. They've been saying for years a 2m4f horse could win the King George and they never do.

The fact it is a fast course and they really wing it along leaves horses gasping for breath and not getting home.

It really does take some getting against top opposition and has produced it's fair share of Gold Cup winners

I think it's more likely BMG just isn't that good.
 
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A view that's formed on sound evidence,rather than a petty dislike.
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Tanlic said:
Total falacy about Kempton. They've been saying for years a 2m4f horse could win the King George and they never do.

The fact it is a fast course and they really wing it along leaves horses gasping for breath and not getting home.

It really does take some getting against top opposition and has produced it's fair share of Gold Cup winners

I think it's more likely BMG just isn't that good.
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Agree about the KG requiring stamina on account of the pace.

There's a chance something will come to light about BMG the other day.

I did say beforehand - one of my beloved conspiracy theories - there might be reasons for his under-performing with the ITV7 pot being doubled if he won. It often happens that the horse in question doesn't win and often at odds-on.

Did connections know BMG wouldn't be quite right? Same with Protektorat? Was that why Royale Pagaille was smashed up in the betting in the lead-up to the off?

:)
 
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