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Betfair Chase Haydock Park Sat Nov 20th 2021

Im going on Saturday, first jumps meeting since Cheltenham last year

Ground could be too lively for Bristol and a few of the others

A Plus Tard is the right favourite but Minella Indo and Put The Kettle ons runs are putting me off backing Henry's first time out

Will see how the grounds riding before having a bet
 
A Plus Tard has run 2nd FTO for the last 3 seasons. I suppose that could be an indication he will need it but Henry's such a good trainer he's bound to have him well prepared if he runs.


There's just something about this race that brings the best out of Bristol De Mai who has beaten some of the best horses in training at the time round there.
 
Tanlic said:
A Plus Tard has run 2nd FTO for the last 3 seasons. I suppose that could be an indication he will need it but Henry's such a good trainer he's bound to have him well prepared if he runs.
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should be noted both were at 2 miles
 
Grasshopper said:
Take A Plus Tard out, and I think it's a pig of a race, tbh.
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It is a grade 1 and doesn't have Kauto/Cue Card but for a modern Saturday chase in the UK it's pretty competitive and has enough intrigue that I will want to see it

A course specialist v the GC runner up and a horse that I'm hoping can improve in RP.

I ahve flirted with APT bing a superstar at stages (now I think he is very good but won't be great for what its worth)

I said good and not great so will stick with it
 
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I think I'm gonna chance Next Destination at 6/1. The NHC is working out really well and of course he's in the best hands.

APT is priced a bit tight for his seasonal debut and the Bristol may have won this on good ground back in the day but that was a while ago and his main victim was Native River who would have needed a much stiffer test that day.
 
I'm a big fan of CSL and took 66s for the Gold Cup about a month ago so a good run on Saturday (doesn't have to win) will be welcome.
 
granger said:
It is a grade 1 and doesn't have Kauto/Cue Card but for a modern Saturday chase in the UK it's pretty competitive and has enough intrigue that I will want to see it

A course specialist v the GC runner up and a horse that I'm hoping can improve in RP.

I ahve flirted with APT bing a superstar at stages (now I think he is very good but won't be great for what its worth)

I said good and not great so will stick with it
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First Grade 1 staying chase of the season, PJ, and of the nine runners only three are younger than 9yo - and one of those has come over from Ireland.

The highest rated English horses (at 166) are 11yo and 10yo respectively. It’s a joke.

Where is Champ? Where is Chantry House?

Maybe the Irish keep serving the English their holes at Cheltenham, because their horses are battle-hardened through actually fuc*king racing, rather than going stir-crazy in their boxes at Hendersons?
 
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Does make you laugh, last year he wouldn't run Altior because of "heavy ground", now for the first November in a few years we get some decent ground and yet again his horses are absent.

That said I think this was never Chantry House's target, he goes to the King George and I'm pretty sure he said yesterday Champ had missed some work and is likely to line up in the Many Clouds chase at Aintree next.

Back to this race though, I share most peoples concerns about A Plus Tard needing the run, and as Euro alludes to his price is tight enough.

I may well back Imperial Aura if I bet in the race.
 
Euronymous said:
I think I'm gonna chance Next Destination at 6/1. The NHC is working out really well and of course he's in the best hands.

APT is priced a bit tight for his seasonal debut and the Bristol may have won this on good ground back in the day but that was a while ago and his main victim was Native River who would have needed a much stiffer test that day.
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I like the angle of ND but what would your tissue price be on him
 
A Plus Tard is a horrible price. Best horse no doubt but as with most of Henrys, will need the run I reckon.

Im chancing Royal Pagaille, Next Destination could quite easily win as well and I echo the above thoughts, just think he’ll want a bit more cut in the ground?

Not a betting heat this one for me anyway. Tbh I hope Bristol wins.
 
Is it safe to assume Next Destination is a confirmed runner at Haydock, with Nicholls leaving Enrilo to represent him at Newbury?

If so, 6/1 makes some minor appeal, but much more appeal than anything else.
 
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Double J said:
A Plus Tard is a horrible price. Best horse no doubt but as with most of Henrys, will need the run I reckon.

Im chancing Royal Pagaille.
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Royal Pagaille's (Out to 8/1 from 10/3) Need for mud is far more a factor than Henry's first time out record, and I fully expect him to swerve the meeting. Henry has had 15 first-time out winners since late-September.
 
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I mentioned some time back that the long-range weather forecast I rely on (obviously within limits) was projecting an extended dry spell through the winter right through until April.

I said at the time it could lead to some dodgy form leading up to the festival. If it remains dry through the festival then the good ground form could be expected to hold sway and we might not actually see that much of the soft ground horses, appearing only when a couple of days' rain is in the offing.

It could be a weird season.
 

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