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A Plus Tards record on soft, very soft or heavy ground reads 2231132132.

So while it maybe gives the opposition more of a chance surely A Plus Tard is a very good horse who can handle most grounds?
 
Marb said:
A Plus Tards record on soft, very soft or heavy ground reads 2231132132.

So while it maybe gives the opposition more of a chance surely A Plus Tard is a very good horse who can handle most grounds?
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If it keeps raining the way it is, the meeting will be in danger of abandonment...
 
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Good to Soft, Soft in places on the chase course.

Shower forecast but Friday & Saturday mainly dry so can see it being pretty soft but can’t believe its got any chance of being bad enough for abandonment.

I took 8/1 e/w 2 places about BDM on Monday, more just in case it does get really soft and Henry decides not to run.
 
wilsonl said:
Good to Soft, Soft in places on the chase course.

Shower forecast but Friday & Saturday mainly dry so can see it being pretty soft but can’t believe its got any chance of being bad enough for abandonment.

I took 8/1 e/w 2 places about BDM on Monday, more just in case it does get really soft and Henry decides not to run.
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No one has edited the course going yet

It has rained constantly throughout the night and its forecast to rain all day today and tomorrow....

https://www.bing.com/search?q=haydo...sc=10-8&cvid=dbded4677bb34141b41d491194272419
 
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Second to BDM will be no disgrace, come Saturday afternoon. APT’s figures on soft and heavy ground are quite misleading too: only 3/10 wins, and the ten runs will have been in small fields.
 
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Good luck, Len. I certainly wouldn't begrudge your fella.

I don't doubt A Plus Tard's lethal turn of foot might be blunted in the forecast conditions, but its not like he came nowhere in those ten runs you mention, and a 33 percent strike rate is not to be sniffed at, especially given most of those soft/heavy ground runs came before his second place in the Gold Cup and subsequent win in the Gold Cup.

He might handle it better as he gets older, or worse, or roughly the same.

While there's a chance he will underperform and get himself beat because of the ground, there's also a good chance he will not only handle it, but will still possess enough class to get his head in front again on Saturday, albeit not by the 20+ lengths or so that he won this last year.
 
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Len Madeiros said:
Second to BDM will be no disgrace, come Saturday afternoon. APT’s figures on soft and heavy ground are quite misleading too: only 3/10 wins, and the ten runs will have been in small fields.
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They're also misleading from the perspective that the defeats were all at trips at 2m2f or shorter - the sole exception being his Ryanair 3rd behind Min and Saint Calvados.

Ground won't be an issue, imo.
 
The Dan Skelton-trained Protektorat has 17 and a half lengths to find with A Plus Tard on their last meeting at Cheltenham in March but the Many Clouds winner should relish the likely soft conditions with rain forecast on Thursday and Friday.

Clerk of the course Kirkland Tellwright did not rule out the possibility of heavy appearing in the going description for Saturday's fixture, with the Met Office issuing a yellow weather warning for parts of the north of England before the weekend.

“We’re expecting rain today and tomorrow and a better day on Saturday," said Tellwright on Thursday morning. "It’s actually dry at the moment. We had 7mm overnight, we’ve had a bit since then and we’re going to get a bit more. We’re going to get rain but hopefully not the worst of that [weather warning]."
 
Maxbet said:
No one has edited the course going yet

It has rained constantly throughout the night and its forecast to rain all day today and tomorrow....

https://www.bing.com/search?q=haydo...sc=10-8&cvid=dbded4677bb34141b41d491194272419
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https://www.accuweather.com/en/gb/newton-le-willows/wa12-9/daily-weather-forecast/325642?day=1

Far better indication; 'raining all day' tells us nothing of the actual level of precipitation expected. 11mm forecast to fall today (day+night), 5mm tomorrow. Accompanied by a strong breeze. Clear with moderate breeze on Saturday.

Going likely to be soft based on that; could be heavy if there's more rain than currently forecast, or on the edge of good to soft and soft if less.
 
ep1987 said:
https://www.accuweather.com/en/gb/newton-le-willows/wa12-9/daily-weather-forecast/325642?day=1

Far better indication; 'raining all day' tells us nothing of the actual level of precipitation expected. 11mm forecast to fall today (day+night), 5mm tomorrow. Accompanied by a strong breeze. Clear with moderate breeze on Saturday.

Going likely to be soft based on that; could be heavy if there's more rain than currently forecast, or on the edge of good to soft and soft if less.
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Pouring down......
 
Going stick readings are currently below 5. That's definitely soft.

GOING Hurdle course - GOOD TO SOFT, Soft in places; Chase course - SOFT, Good to soft in places (GoingStick: Chase 4.7, Hurdle 4.8) (Showers)
 
Sorry Bristol De Mai fans but my bet is he's gone and this is the last time we will see him.
Pulled Up seems likely :(

Potektorat travels very eaily in his races but it's a huge ask to beat A Plus Tard who will be trained to the minute for this.

Frodon.well if I ave said it once I have said it a hundred times. Giving weight to slow horses is one thing beating top class horses is another thing.

I give him no chance in this field and will be surprised if he finishes.

Edorado Allen will gallop till the cows come own and could grab the runner up spot late on.

1. A plus Tard
2. Eldorado Allen
3. Potektorat
 
All this rain coming in from the west, traveling across to Market Rasen. They just held an inspection. Torrential at Haydock as we speak.....Heavy a cert
 
Maxbet said:
All this rain coming in from the west, traveling across to Market Rasen. They just held an inspection. Torrential at Haydock as we speak.....Heavy a cert
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Haydock was supposed to miss the worst of it but to get the full picture when there are these narrowish bands of rain sweeping across it's probably best to use the scroll feature on the met office site, with the caveat that the further into the future you go the more uncertainty there is; mea culpa for not looking at the wider picture.

How bad it gets is going to depend on the how much of the band of rain from 6am to 2pm Friday hits the course:

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weathe...latlong=53.47872018814087,-2.6223206520080566

Haydock is usually the most testing when there is a late deluge; the 24 hours of dry weather before Saturday may mean that it dries out a little and is on the cusp of heavy rather than being really deep ground.
 
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If it turns to heavy and your in doubt about the gground the best thing that can happen is it is raining while your tace is running. It actually helps horses go through it.

If it is heavy and starts to dry out it starts to get tacky and then it's much harder to go through. That applies right up to good to soft.

So if trainers are woried about heavy and it hasn't rained all day they will probably still not run theirs
 
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