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GS reading has it slightly quicker than yesterday.
Wouldn't have BDM on my mind, forecast 1st & 2nd fav pays c7/4, and looks the safe option.
 
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Well done Protektorat backers.

Pished up.

Might be an idea to take a longer price about APT for the Gold Cup now...
 
Desert Orchid said:
Might be an idea to take a longer price about APT for the Gold Cup now...
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11s on the machine isn't bad but i suspect the record of horses running in their 3rd gold cup that aren't named Kauto Star isn't too great. alluded to as much on another thread before today's run.
 
I've taken 12s with Bet365.

If he comes out and wins a good race his price will halve again.
 
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The Kauto and Denman years have made people forget how much a Gold Cup takes out of a horse. I always think back to reading about how Imperial Call could run up a sequence of Gold Cup wins. I really was worried for APT today.
 
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The Kauto and Denman years have made people forget how much a Gold Cup takes out of a horse. I always think back to reading about how Imperial Call could run up a sequence of Gold Cup wins. I really was worried for APT today.
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Agreed but APT has been very carefully campaigned, was a class above the rest last season and NH training has progressed a decent amount recently meaning that I thought there was a better chance of him staying sound compared to some of the one and done types. The run looked too bad to be true and I guess we'll know more soon.
 
Too much attention is being paid to APT's poor run that I think many are missing the obvious.

I thought Protektorat looked very much improved at Haydock and he or Galopin Des Chams will win the Gold Cup.
 
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RP have the timed ground as 'good' Haydock, Saturday - exactly the same as they did in a gd1 at Leopardstown a couple of years ago, when APT was withdrawn for "unsuitable Ground".
I'd blame Kirkland, rather than the horse.
 
On ground only marginally different from last (+.2 stick) years race, the races were run very much similarly. The fractions were amazingly alike, right down to the speed traveling at various points in the race... Last year on time and a video run off, Royal Pagaille beat Protektorat 4 lengths. APT was in another county bridling away...

Definitely not APT's running...
 
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So what's the difference between Ahoy senors run and APTs
One ,you all blamed the trainer and one you all say it was not it's TRUE running.
 
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On ground only marginally different from last (+.2 stick) years race, the races were run very much similarly. The fractions were amazingly alike, right down to the speed traveling at various points in the race... Last year on time and a video run off, Royal Pagaille beat Protektorat 4 lengths. APT was in another county bridling away...

Definitely not APT's running...
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I would check your figures, Max. Last year's race was run almost 7 secs quicker, which would have suited a Gold Cup candidate better, particularly on ground the RP have as slower.
 
APT didn't run well owing to the ground being too quick.
Both trainer and jockey supported that view, after the race. Who else knows the horse better?
 
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reet hard said:
APT didn't run well owing to the ground being too quick.
Both trainer and jockey supported that view, after the race. Who else knows the horse better?
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Except they didn't. They said it may have been the ground, but the inference was that it was softer than ideal.
 
HDB: "It could possibly be the ground but he's a very classy horse and I was hoping that wouldn't have been an issue that would make him pull up".
RB: :"Maybe it was the ground"
I see no inference that the ground was softer
All I can see is he was taken out of a race on very similar ground as 'unsuitable'
Diferent track, but on the same day theAscot CoC said: "I've never known the ground dry up so quickly, this time of the year"/I]
 
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I'd be concerned if Henry couldn't identify a physical problem afterwards - well concerned for how A Plus Tard will perform in future anyway.

As if there was nothing found that would surely indicate the horse has just badly lost his best form.

Not only lost it either, but lost it by many stones on the form book.

I hope he can bounce back in the Savills Chase and every horse is entitled or can be forgiven for one poor run. For a horse who was hardly ever out the first three it was a truly bizarre run though.

He should be odds against for the Savills anyhow.
 
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I find it very easy to forgive a horse a defeat on a seasonal debut.

I find it especially easy to forgive when it's long odds-on :ninja:
 
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