Bradford Shooting

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Just watching the shocking news on Sky that 2 female police officers have been shot, one fatally after responding to a robbery this afternoon in Bradford. The other officer remains in a critical condition in hospital.
 
I'm sure it doesn't Colin - but why the need to nitpick? Surely it's horrendous enough that two police officers were shot for needless reasons whilst trying to keep the peace?
 
While theres no detterent!!! its going to get worse.... bring back the death penalty and the cat........ it will not alter while we have these do gooders/civil liberties around......... there has got to be a radical rethink with regards policing and the restrictions on keeping law and order.................. .............. :o
 
Eighty-nine police officers have been killed on duty in Britain in the last 30 years.

The last woman police officer to die on duty was 29-year-old Alison Armitage, who was run over by a stolen car during an undercover operation near Oldham in 2001.

In 1997, policewoman Nina Mackay, 25, died after she was stabbed while trying to arrest a suspect in Stratford, east London.

The 1984 death of 25-year-old policewoman Yvonne Fletcher after shots were fired from the Libyan embassy in London led to Britain severing diplomatic relations with Libya for 15 years.
 
You have to wonder why two unarmed officers were sent an armed robbery though. It seems the injured officer had only recently been recruited a few months ago. So she is unlikely to have been very experienced in dealing with such situations & criminals like these.
 
There IS a need to nitpick, actually. And this isn't to take away from the sad business today. We wimmin have fought and campaigned very hard against extreme bigotry, and are still campaigning hard against extreme hatred in much of the rest of the world, to be viewed as able to do 'any' job, to receive equal pay and benefits as men, and to take on the same responsibilities as men, for doing so. It was called 'women's suffrage' and it's worth noting that millions of women in the world still don't enjoy anything like the same 'worth' as men in the eyes of their societies.

It's very sad that a police officer lost her life today. It's irrelevant, as Colin I believe is trying to say, that the officer was female, in terms of being shot in the line of duty, and in it being a nasty incident, but not something that's entirely unlikely to happen occasionally. We want to do jobs that men only once were thought solely worthy of doing. Now we do many of them, and we can expect to get killed or injured doing them, whether it's riding racehorses, serving in the armed forces, or being a cop.

It's typical of the media to highlight that the dead officer is female: what next? Her age, her marital status, 'pretty'? Irrelevant, but still implying that such women are some sort of employed oddity. And, perversely, that her death is somehow more tragic than that of another dead bloke.
 
It was reported that both officers were "probationary", and that the first report of the robbery didn't mention firearms, hence the two nearest officers were detailed to investigate. It was only when the robbers tried to flee the scene that anyone knew they were armed.
 
Originally posted by Merlin the Magician@Nov 18 2005, 08:50 PM
While theres no detterent!!! its going to get worse.... bring back the death penalty and the cat........ it will not alter while we have these do gooders/civil liberties around......... there has got to be a radical rethink with regards policing and the restrictions on keeping law and order.................. .............. :o
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Sorry to let the facts interfere with an argument (yet again) but I assume that thirty years has een chosen because of the end of capital punishment? If you check the National Police Roll of Honour you will find that deaths of policemen in the cause of duty existed at similar levels prior to 1964.

As for the statement that capital punishment is a deterrent, who says so? it doesn't seem to be the case in the only westernised democracy that retains it, which also has the highest murder rate.
 
Oops! That's me for the needle, then... :shy:

I work with an ex-DCI at Lingfield, and he said that the crims would be given up in a heartbeat by the 'proper' underworld (for whom he has much affection). He says that the Police expect 'real' crims to give them the odd clouting, but not use guns. As for arming the Police, he says that the force's take is that, however big a stick they carry, the crims will simply find a bigger one. He attended several armed incidents without the use of firearms on the part of the Police. His view, which seems to be that of the real Police, and not people who watch too many computer games, is that everyone really wants to come out in one piece, and that if the cops go around routinely armed, it only heightens the level of anticipation of their use, leading to regular American-style shoot-outs.
 
I personally think it would be a deterrent..... And how can you judge yankee deterrents and policing (The American Constitution, which sets out the country's rights and freedoms, says people are allowed to "keep and bear arms." )alongside the British cop….its a chalk and cheese situation…

If like this case the right people are caught? Well hang them (the three of them) then the deterrent will be there for future people who kill or try to kill people in cold blood as these people have done in Bradford... they wern't firing blanks to scare off the police they fired to harm/stop them....in order to get away.....

it will make any other people thinking of killing… think twice about it in future…….but while there’s no deterrent it will happen again and again…….

Or do you just carry on per se and do nothing at all to stop these killings?? And armed gun robbery………… :angy:
 
you obviously know a lot better than the ex top man then....??? :rolleyes: this validates my call for a deterrent... ie hang them!!!!if they are the killers............. :o out of touch I would call your synopsis........ :ph34r:


Five suspects have been transferred from London in a heavily guarded convoy - tonight they're being questioned in separate police stations around West Yorkshire.

Meanwhile, the shootings in Bradford has prompted the former Metropolitan police chief constable, Sir John Stevens - to change his mind - by calling for the death penalty for anyone found guilty of killing a police officer.

Others have called for all police officers to be routinely armed.

But most officers still believe that carrying guns would make them less safe - they want a balance between protection, and security.
CH4 NEWS
 
Let me get this right - you believe in bringing back the death penalty today but didn't twenty years ago? When people were being murdered en masse by pubs and other places being blown up? Is that it?
 
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