Breaking The Cycle Of Violence In The Middle East

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So who is the commie loving anti-American pinko who put this together?

Clue: Not George Galloway, not Vanessa Redgrave, not Tariq Ali

Breaking the cycle of violence

The people of the Middle East deserve peace and justice, and we owe them our support.

The Middle East is a tinderbox, with some key players on all sides waiting for every opportunity to destroy their enemies with bullets, bombs and missiles. One of the special vulnerabilities of Israel, and a repetitive cause of violence, is the holding of prisoners. Militant Palestinians and Lebanese know that a captured Israeli soldier or civilian is either a cause of conflict or a valuable bargaining chip for prisoner exchange. This assumption is based on a number of such trades, including 1,150 Arabs, mostly Palestinians, for three Israelis in 1985; 123 Lebanese for the remains of two Israeli soldiers in 1996; and 433 Palestinians and others for an Israeli businessman and the bodies of three soldiers in 2004.

This stratagem precipitated the renewed violence that erupted in June when Palestinians dug a tunnel under the barrier that surrounds Gaza and assaulted some Israeli soldiers, killing two and capturing one. They offered to exchange the soldier for the release of 95 women and 313 children who are among almost 10,000 Arabs in Israeli prisons, but this time Israel rejected a swap and attacked Gaza in an attempt to free the soldier and stop rocket fire into Israel. The resulting destruction brought reconciliation between warring Palestinian factions and support for them throughout the Arab world.

Hizbullah militants in south Lebanon then killed three Israeli soldiers and captured two others, and insisted on Israel's withdrawal from disputed territory and an exchange for some of the several thousand incarcerated Lebanese. With American backing, Israeli bombs and missiles rained down on Lebanon. Soon, Hizbullah rockets supplied by Syria and Iran were striking northern Israel.

It is inarguable that Israel has a right to defend itself against attacks on its citizens, but it is inhumane and counterproductive to punish civilian populations in the illogical hope that somehow they will blame Hamas and Hizbullah for provoking the devastating response. The result instead has been that broad Arab and worldwide support has been rallied for these groups, while condemnation of both Israel and the United States has intensified.

Israel belatedly announced, but did not carry out, a two-day cessation in bombing Lebanon, responding to the global condemnation of an air attack on the Lebanese village of Qana, where 57 civilians were killed and where 106 died from the same cause 10 years ago. As before there were expressions of "deep regret," a promise of "immediate investigation" and the explanation that dropped leaflets had warned families in the region to leave their homes.

The urgent need in Lebanon is that Israeli attacks stop, that Lebanon's regular military forces control the southern region of the country, that Hizbullah cease as a separate fighting force, and future attacks against Israel be prevented. [color]Israel should withdraw from all Lebanese territory, including Shebaa Farms, and release the Lebanese prisoners. Yet Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has rejected such a cease-fire.[/color]

These are ambitious hopes, but even if the UN Security Council adopts and implements a resolution that would lead to such an eventual solution, it will provide just another band-aid and temporary relief. Tragically, the current conflict is part of the inevitably repetitive cycle of violence that results from the absence of a comprehensive settlement in the Middle East, exacerbated by the almost unprecedented six-year absence of any real effort to achieve such a goal.

Leaders on both sides ignore strong majorities that crave peace, allowing extremist-led violence to preempt all opportunities for building a political consensus. Traumatized Israelis cling to the false hope that their lives will be made safer by incremental unilateral withdrawals from occupied areas, while Palestinians see their remnant territories reduced to little more than human dumping grounds surrounded by a provocative "security barrier" that embarrasses Israel's friends and fails to bring safety or stability.

The general parameters of a long-term, two-state agreement are well known.

There will be no substantive and permanent peace for any peoples in this troubled region as long as Israel is violating key UN resolutions, official American policy and the international "road map" for peace by occupying Arab lands and oppressing the Palestinians. Except for mutually agreeable negotiated modifications, Israel's official pre-1967 borders must be honored. As were all previous administrations since the founding of Israel, US government leaders must be in the forefront of achieving this long-delayed goal.

A major impediment to progress is the US administration's strange policy that dialogue on controversial issues will be extended only as a reward for subservient behavior and will be withheld from those who reject US assertions. Direct engagement with the Palestine Liberation Organization or the Palestinian Authority and the government in Damascus will be necessary if secure negotiated settlements are to be achieved. Failure to address the issues and leaders involved risks the creation of an arc of even greater instability running from Jerusalem through Beirut, Damascus, Baghdad and Tehran.

The people of the Middle East deserve peace and justice, and we in the international community owe them our strong leadership and support.
 
The above analysis of the situation was written by James Earl Carter Junior, better known as Jimmy Carter, thirty-ninth president of the United States of America.
 
From yahoo.com. Bush reckons Israel won....

WASHINGTON -
President Bush said Monday that
Israel defeated Hezbollah's guerrillas in the monthlong Mideast war and that the Islamic militants were to blame for the deaths of hundreds of Lebanese civilians.

Bush admonished
Iran and
Syria for backing Hezbollah, which captured two Israeli soldiers on July 12 igniting the conflict. Both sides claimed victory Monday, hours after a U.N.-brokered cease-fire took effect, while Bush said Israel prevailed.

"Hezbollah attacked Israel. Hezbollah started the crisis, and Hezbollah suffered a defeat in this crisis," the president said at the State Department after a day of meetings with his top defense, diplomatic and national security advisers.

The United States backed Israel in the war, and Bush made clear he was determined to help the Israelis in the post-fighting struggle of words about who wound up on top.

The president portrayed the war, which killed about 790 Lebanese and 155 Israelis, as part of a broader struggle between freedom and terrorism. He said one can only imagine how much more dangerous such a conflict would be if Iran possessed nuclear weapons.

Bush said Hezbollah lost, though Israel didn't knock out the guerrillas.

Israel's prime minister and Bush said the offensive eliminated the "state within a state" run by Hezbollah in southern Lebanon. Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, however, declared that his guerrillas achieved a "strategic, historic victory" over Israel.

"Hezbollah, of course, has got a fantastic propaganda machine, and they're claiming victories," Bush said. "But how can you claim victory when, at one time, you were a state within a state, safe within southern Lebanon, and now you're going to be replaced by a Lebanese army and an international force?"

Bush said a
United Nations-brokered cease-fire was an important step toward ending the violence, yet he acknowledged that the truce was fragile.

"We certainly hope the cease-fire holds because it is step one of making sure that Lebanon's democracy is strengthened," Bush said.

The U.N. plan calls for a joint Lebanese-international force to act as a buffer between Israel and Hezbollah militiamen. France and Italy, along with predominantly Muslim Turkey and Malaysia, have signaled willingness to contribute troops to the joint force, but consultations are needed on the force's makeup and mandate.

Bush spoke on the phone early Monday to Italian Prime Minister Romano Prodi, and Italian Foreign Minister Massimo D'Alema said Italy's troops could be ready within two weeks.

"There's going to be a new power in the south of Lebanon, and that's going to be a Lebanese force with a robust international force to help them seize control of the country — that part of the country," Bush said.

On Bush's first day back from vacation, his motorcade traveled between the White House and State and Defense departments for meetings on transforming the U.S. military, on homeland security and on the warfare in
Afghanistan and
Iraq.

Sectarian violence has surged in Iraq and created what some consider the greatest threat to stability there since
Saddam Hussein's government was toppled three years ago. Meanwhile, efforts to get
North Korea and Iran to restrict their nuclear ambitions remained stalled.

"We live in troubled times, but I'm confident in our capacity to not only protect the homeland, but I'm confident in our capacity to leave behind a better world," Bush said at a meeting at the
Pentagon where he sat between Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and Vice President
Dick Cheney.

His words sought to calm jitters about last week's arrests of more than two dozen people in England and Pakistan accused of plotting to blow up as many as 10 passenger planes flying between Britain and the United States.

The nation's safety looms large as an issue in the midterm elections. Both Republicans and Democrats are maneuvering for political advantage with control of Congress at stake.
 
The little rodent just can't help but drag a reference to Iran into it, can he? Oh, how he longs to just press that li'l ole red button (no, not the one on the end of his nose), and start justifying an even fatter Defense Budget as Iraq whimpers into oblivion. There's plenty mo' money to be made with another little war, if only he could contrive hard enough to cause it. No mention of the Zionists' nuclear interests, I take it?
 
Israel won? That'll be why Olmert's standing has slumped then at home and Nasrallah (who most had never heard of before Israel's bombardment began) is a hero in the region.

Bush's cretin rating goes sub-zero at this one.
 
George Bush should go on the stand-up circuit - his every utterance is worthy of side-splitting laughs. Were it not for the wicked, criminal, and unforgivable loss of civilian life, particularly children, he'd be amusing in the same way that the Victorians drew some diversion from visiting Bedlam.
 
The good news is that the French have volunteered to lead the peacekeeping force.
The bad news is that they will probably surrender to the first goat herd with a pointy stick that they come accross.
 
It is quite clear in which band the great Jimmy is.

To think that going back to the old borders would be the solution is the kind of thinking a 5yo kid would have.



To compare the 2 israelis soldiers to the terrorist prisioners is a simple joke to any normal person.


About the death of innocent civil people, it would help quite a lot if the Hizbulah people didnt place the irani misils they use to attack israel beside schools, or not to use ambulances to transport weapons.


Seeing the result of this month of war in which an army as strong as Israel has and have not been able to beat this terrorist band, it shows how powerful they are when they are supported by Iran and Syria,


It has been also very useful for people to concentrate in this war and not talking about the nuclear weapons Iran is devoloping, Irans prime minister does not look a person in which to trust with nuclear power.



About Carter
He does a very good work supervising the elections in places in which he is very confrtable like Cuba,Venezuela or Boliviaa.
 
Originally posted by sunybay@Aug 16 2006, 10:42 PM

About Carter
He does a very good work supervising the elections in places in which he is very confrtable like Cuba,Venezuela or Boliviaa.
Florida?
 
Jeb or George

Certainly a system where a candidates brother has the authority to remove 60,000 voters from the register, who only discover this when they are turned away from a polling station, does seem to me at least, to have a few fault lines that might just pass as a conflict of interest in most reasonable peoples eyes?

And then the only way of challenging the result of course is an appeal to the 'Supreme Court'. Problem though. The candidates Dad appointed enough of the judges to ensure that the 5 decisions needed are in the bag :rolleyes:

Democracy in the land of the free and the home of the brave
 
Originally posted by sunybay@Aug 17 2006, 12:04 AM
Do you think Bush fixed the elections in Florida?
No, he didn't do it personally. But various unconstitutional legislation imposed by those who supported him certainly altered the result.

You are in a minority with your views on Jimmy Carter, who is a respected statesman on the world stage, but even if you were right, better a clown than a crook.
 
Brian
I respect your opinions

But
are you talking seriously when you are saying Jimmy Carter is considered a respected statesman???????????????
 
There is nothing in Carter's analysis with which I disagree. Israel, with the illegal support of the USA, has infringed virtually every aspect of the 1967 border agreement. 1967: that's nearly 40 years (or two generations) of intrusion and illegal acquisition of land, farms and buildings, and pushing thousands of ordinary Palestinian people into demeaning refugee status in friendly countries like Jordan.

If it wasn't for the fact that Israel is backed by the world's only superpower, it would've been forced to withdraw decades ago, and keep to the 'homeland' designated for its people. Zionist expansion has been dressed up in all sorts of disguises, usually 'border security', but it's expansionism by a much stronger force over a considerably weaker people all the same.

Why wouldn't the Palestinians arm themselves with something a little more effective than the stones of the crushed Intifada back in the 1970s? When the response to young boys hurling stones at armed and armoured Israeli troops was to shoot them dead and leave their bodies in the street, does anyone wonder at the depth of the hatred nurtured? Palestinian teenagers were captured for so-called insurrection, kidnapped by the Israeli forces, and sentenced to 30 years in Israeli jails for plotting against the illegal occupation of the land - the remnant, as Carter so rightly calls it - the Palestinians were left with. I don't call those terrorists, I call them freedom fighters - not very well organised, hopelessly outgunned, young and full of idealistic fire and righteous fury about the treatment of the Palestinian people - but fighting for their freedom to education, health, a proper homeland and the right to live and work just as they were doing perfectly well, alongside their Jewish neighbours, before the meddling of the West tore everything apart. Carter is bang on the button: get Israel back to the LEGAL confines of 1967, and the rest will fall into place.

The fact is that Israel has consistently overdone the response to any so-called transgression against it, while enjoying complete freedom to transgress as it likes, thanks to Uncle Sam smiling benignly upon it and supporting its brutalities. And now, thanks to Bush's lap dog at No.10, we're being allied with such actions.
 
Originally posted by sunybay@Aug 17 2006, 11:18 AM
are you talking seriously when you are saying Jimmy Carter is considered a respected statesman?
Yes, and if you believe differently then you have not followed his actions in retirement.

Rather than take to the golf course, or resort to the lucrative lecture tour, Jimmy Carter is still active on the global stage and has been used by both Democrat and Republican administrations as a roving ambassador for peace. He has used the prestige of his former office to set about applying his honesty and application to mediate in world crises under the auspices of his newly-founded Carter Centre, based in Atlanta.

He has worked tirelessly behind the scenes to keep the Middle East peace process on track. He persuaded the former North Korean dictator, Kim Il Sung, to open discussions with South Korea.

He led a delegation that persuaded leaders in Haiti to surrender power and he brokered a ceasefire in Bosnia that helped pave the way for the future peace treaty there.

He very quickly added election monitoring to the Carter Centre brief, to help further the cause of democracy in areas unaccustomed to it.

He denounced the 1989 election in General Noriega's Panama. He advised Daniel Ortega on organising fair elections in Nicaragua which, ironically, resulted in Ortega's defeat.

Such is his worldwide standing now, that Fidel Castro allowed him to broadcast live to the Cuban people in Spanish, despite knowing that he would criticise the Cuban leader's civil rights record.

The Carter Centre has also established health programmes which have all but eradicated guinea-worm disease, and is successfully tackling river blindness.

Not surprisingly Carter is now universally admired as the best ex-president the United States has ever had.
 
Brian

I have a very different view.

He was one of the worst presidents ever and as an ex president I dont think he has a 10 per cent of the influence you credit him.



This characters famous for searching for the peace usually provides the opposite effect and are the source of bigger conflicts.
 
And I don't expect anything else from you, suny. We know each other's position on this issue, and neither of us will be moved by the other.
 
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