Bush V Kerry

the rooster booster bush did it again. mighty performance down from the hill.
i personally do not share the values of bush completely but i like him personally somehow more than kerry. as someone said on CNN tonight: Even democrats dont like kerry.

so much analyses on TV but in my view it comes down to the fact, that Bush is simply the more likeable - and entertaining - person. its a trend even in europe as you can see with blair, berlusconi etc.
 
What a turnround on Betfair!!!!
£16million traded---when I went to bed depressed Kerry was 1/3 and Bush drifting.
Should have stayed up and made some serious money.
 
Sunybay,
How do you think he is going to finish the job?

Democracy has arrived in KABUL and will remain there whilst the rest of AFGHANISTAN is under the control of others.

As soon as the so called defenders of democracy leaves the status quo will return.

I can't see how the destruction of a race benefits mankind,be it the JEWS or the followers of ALLAH.
 
Ship-to-shore via satellite from the Seabourn Pride

I did my best out there - it wasn't enough...

By the way, those who talk about Bush finishing the job should talk to the people who were in the 1.3 million jobs that he did finish off.

If you look at the state of the economy - biggest deficit ever, largest employment loss since the recession, cost of Medicare escalating, tax cuts for the richest 5% at the expense of the other 95% etc you will see that the only reason that Dubya was re-elected was because of Iraq. Bush will end up with about 53% of the popular vote. 52% of Americans still believe that Saddam Hussein was responsible for the twin towers atrocity. Because Rumsfeld and Cheney told them he was.

Well, at least he can only do four more years. Get on Hilary now for 2008.

Au revoir, a lunchtime Planter's Punch beckons...
 
YOU GO TO THE FIELDS ON WEEKDAYS
AND HAVE A PICNIC ON LABOR DAY
YOU GO TO VOTE ON TUESDAY
BUT GO TO THE CHURCH EV'RY SUNDAY
THEY CALL HIM
NOTBUSH OH NOTBUSH
CALL IT NOTBUSH CITY LIMITS
 
Originally posted by BrianH@Nov 3 2004, 05:20 PM




By the way, those who talk about Bush finishing the job should talk to the people who were in the 1.3 million jobs that he did finish off.
Brian

Do you remember what happened in NY in 11S?
This is the main cause for those people losing their jobs.

Bush also found the stocks with what happened in the Nasdaq in the Days of wines and roses of Billy(Clinton).


About the deficit
I agree, wars are expensive,and I dont think he is the best in economy but I think Kerry would have been even better and the message american would have sent to the world would have been of real weakness.

Since Iraq War Australia did the correct in the election, Americans have done the same and England will do it in next elections choosing Blair,only the coward spanish have done what muslim terrorist wanted.
 
Originally posted by BrianH@Nov 3 2004, 05:20 PM

Well, at least he can only do four more years. Get on Hilary now for 2008.
I hope she will not be the one they present because you always back the democrats and she has no chance. :rolleyes: :D


that young black guy they are talking about would have very little chance.


I thought Edwards was the one for 2008 but his performance this morning could have made him very bad for him in the future.
 
Sunybay,
The IRA spread carnage all over the UK for years.The IRA could be numbered in the thousands.The problem was,you could not tell by looking at a person,if he/she was friend or foe,Whole disctricts of Northern Ireland were no go areas for one section of the community.Bombings,Shootings,Beatings,were the order of the day.

The British Army were not able to win and so the politicians had a go:Over the years things have got better and there are now no Bombings on the mainland or in Northern Ireland.The baddies on both sides are still there but are jousting for power in mainly peaceful way.

It is not perfect,but it is a hundred times better than it was,although,it has to be said that the mistreatment of foreigners does not show Northern Ireland in it's best light.


The problem facing the US/GB/AUS is much,much greater then what the British Army faced in Northern Ireland.What plan do they have to finish the Job?
 
I agree with Suny, for once, in that neither Hilary or the Illinois senator will win in 2008. THis election has proven just how conversative some Americans are. They will not vote for a woman or an African American,

A very sad day for the world. Fallujah will be levelled at some stage over the next few weeks. I'm sure Cheney and his buddies have a few more scores to settle now. And when he's got the Supreme Court on side, nothing will stop Bush.
 
I have thought about it many times and have come to the conclusion that I would not be surprised to see Bush drop a nuke on someone in the next 4 years. What a dangerous cretin he is.
 
It is a conflict that cannot be won,unless the impossible happens a few hundred miles away.

30 years is a long time to fight and lose.
 
Originally posted by PDJ@Nov 3 2004, 07:07 PM
I have thought about it many times and have come to the conclusion that I would not be surprised to see Bush drop a nuke on someone in the next 4 years. What a dangerous cretin he is.
Indeed.

Judging by some of the sentiment on the threads at BF it seems that too many punters let their political hearts rule their heads.

I wanted Bush beaten, but I've never let what I want, or my personal credo, influence how I bet on public popularity contests.

At least the losers can comfort themselves with the notion that London-based Bush backers and Kerry layers merely won enough to pay for half-decent coffins for themselves after Al-Quada hit the capital following the freshly-mandated, manic, Bush's next Blair-backed global ''intervention.''
 
I went to bed last night confidently expecting to wake in the morning and find Kerry more or less home and dry. The early leaked “exit” polls which I saw on other sites were, I now suspect, either false, possibly as an attempt to make a killing on the betting exchanges, or “tracking” polls from earlier in the day.

Last night, Kerry was apparently leading 50-49 in both Florida and Ohio only to lose the former 52-47 and the latter 50.5-48. Both these margins were of course within the statistical range of the polls but only a few showed a persistent Bush lead of around three points (Gallup was tied at 49).

I am like some others, disappointed by the result. I would have preferred a Kerry win balanced by a Republican-controlled Senate and Congress. I think the most effective period of the Clinton Administration followed the Republican successes in the 1994 mid-term elections.

Bush has received an extraordinarily powerful mandate in terms of control of the Executive and legislature and the worst excesses of the Republican agenda look set to be implemented in the coming year or two. The Republicans will of course bask in their victory but they should remember the cast-iron rule of politics “what goes around comes around”. It may well be that the 2006 mid-terms will be fought in much less favourable circumstances after which the Republicans will need to find a candidate for 2008. I would imagine Dick Cheney is excluded due to his health and I doubt Schwarzenegger will be available so that leaves Trent Lott or perhaps Giuliani.

As for the Democrats, this is their “April 1992” so to speak. There are clear lessons to learn and they need to start with asking why they lost. Was it solely Iraq or the war on terrorism, or are there deeper reasons? Some are already pointing to what could be regarded as a cultural divide within America. Many evangelical Churches actively worked to ensure congregations voted for Bush citing Kerry’s stance on abortion for example. The Democrats will need to come up with a strategy to counter this cultural conservatism and picking a northeastern liberal Senator probably wasn’t the best move.

Of course, the events of September 2001 changed the political climate and I do think if that event had not occurred and the election had been fought primarily on the economy and other bread and butter issues, there would have been a different result. Though the south and Midwest are predominantly Republican, there is little doubt that the Republicans benefited from what may be called a “war time loyalty” vote. Those who might not have supported the economic and domestic policies of Bush backed him because he is the commander-in-chief and the old adage that changing leaders in wartime is a sign of weakness might have weighed on many minds. Showing loyalty to the country in time of war means supporting the troops and supporting the commander in chief.

By 2008, of course, the world might be a very different place. Look back to 2000 – the Twin Towers were still standing and the name of Osama Bin Laden was known to only a few. There were factors that worked to the Republican’s favour this time that might not be in place next time and that should give them cause to reflect amidst the euphoria.

As I’ve suggested, the Democrats face the agony of defeat. As with Labour in April 1992, it hurts and will hurt for a long time to come. The question is really how the Democrats will react to the events of November 2004 and what lessons they will draw. In Britain, Labour found itself within a year holding a huge opinion poll lead courtesy of the ERM fiasco. When John Smith died so tragically, Labour made the key decision in electing a leader who set out creating policies and a Party not for the benefit of the converted but for the sole purpose of bringing in disaffected Conservatives. By 1997, Blair had convinced (or conned) a large section of the public into believing that the Labour Party was now a non-socialist party of the centre and centre-left.

For the Democrats too the lesson must be that they cannot keep going back to an increasingly culturally conservative people with the same liberal message promulgated by the same liberal people. Kerry has followed Dukakis in failing against Bush. The last two successful Democratic candidates were Clinton and Carter, both of whom were able to portray themselves as centrist outsiders (Clinton was also aided by the presence of Ross Perot, who drew off many Republican votes while Carter won in the shadow of Watergate). Picking Kerry was, for the Democrats, a genuflection to the Kennedy past and the northeastern liberal roots. The entire image has been undermined and the Democrats need a new start. It’s no good the Democrats picking another liberal next time. That candidate might appeal to the party faithful but it won’t appeal to potential disaffected Republicans in the heartland. The Republican majorities in states like Florida, Ohio, Nevada, New Mexico and Colorado aren’t beyond reach for a candidate able to speak to the conservative Republican heartland and appeal especially to those cultural conservatives who will come to resent Bush’s economic policies.

For this reason alone, I think Hillary Clinton would be a disastrous mistake. Edwards looked out of his depth in the campaign but he has time to learn and looks the most likely option short of Gore returning to the race or A.N Other or S.O Else coming out of the pack (from the Pacific Northwest perhaps?).

The lesson here is that politics isn’t just about winning and losing elections. It’s about understanding how to make your appeal and to whom and in what way. The Democrats have a long journey in front of them and time isn’t on their side. In 2006, the mid terms give the party an opportunity to regain ground in some key areas while the Republicans may struggle to hold all last night’s gains.
 
HYPOCRITES ---most of you----not Suny.
London would have been hit by now if Bush had not gone in and taken care of Taliban and Al Queda.
Osama ----pathetic last week---what has he achieved since 9/11 apart from helping re-elect his pursuer??
Where would the FREE WORLD be without USA to protect you---be fair---whenever there is a major problem AMERICA is expected to solve it???

:angy: :angy: :angy:
 
Stodge

Great post!
I agree mostly.


Just one point
Terminator is now allowed by constitution to be president becasue he is not american.
 
Eric-London could still be hit-it has to be a major worry.I have mixed views on the subject-I believe Bush went into Iraq for his own personal reasons but I was glad to see Saddam deposed.I despise the anti-war movement in Ireland including the people I know to be professional agitatorswho never worked a day in their lives.I believe Blair has been disingenuos and the puppet of Dubya.
As DB said how are they going to finish it off.
 
Originally posted by eric c@Nov 3 2004, 08:55 PM
HYPOCRITES ---most of you----not Suny.
London would have been hit by now if Bush had not gone in and taken care of Taliban and Al Queda.
Osama ----pathetic last week---what has he achieved since 9/11 apart from helping re-elect his pursuer??
Where would the FREE WORLD be without USA to protect you---be fair---whenever there is a major problem AMERICA is expected to solve it???

:angy: :angy: :angy:
Eric C,

I disagree.

Anyone who ever watched ''The Long Good Friday'' fully 25 years ago and understood its simple message knows you can't stamp out terrorism by use of economic sanctions or military force.

Terrorists aren't pragmatic businessmen.

They are fanatics - kill one, and another arrives to take his/her place.

Well, the USA hasn't killed one, it has killed many, plus up to 100,000 innocent Iraqi civilians.

Hatred among bereaved young Iraqi adults towards the West can never have been higher and I'm sure Al-Quaeda and similar terrorist organisations have had a series of recruitment field days ever since the invasion of Iraq.

Dreadful though the likes of Bin Laden are, the reality here is that they have issues with the West (some of them arguably legitimate).

It is only by dealing with those issues that the existence of such organisations becomes undermined.

IMO, Bush's policy on terorism - which, in addition to being mindless, does not sit well with the USA's attitude towards the acts of the Israeli government - have made the world a much more dangerous place to live in.
 
Some valid points Ian.
Would the world be a safer better place if the Americans changed their approach----say they just stayed at home,protected their own set-up---and let the rest take care of themselves??
Would you vote for that???
 
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