Cheryl, You Are The Weakest Link, Goodbye!

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krizon, there have been pages and pages of letters on the subject over the years in the Racing Post. The increase in night racing and weekend racing has seen a consequent increase in the letters. There have also been articles in the paper by the feature writers and occasionally this has spilt over into the civilian press.

I'm afraid that it's far from being a sexy issue for editors, whether they are in written, spoken or visual media. The betting industry is not alone in putting its staff at risk by "single manning" either, so I'm afraid that any journo's response would be likely to be "So what?"
 
Originally posted by krizon@Jul 5 2005, 11:36 AM
Maybe so, simmo, but they're clearly causing a lot of resentment.
Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with the sentiments raised - but I would suspect that raising them in a disciplinary is liable to be counter productive in that they will not be given the precedence they deserve.
 
Griff - you broke the rules & screwed up - bend over and take your medicine. Enough already with this left wing, pinko Union shit. And don't be bringing in red herrings like your bosses daughter.

It is precisely because of attitudes like yours that companies are not maximising profits and shareholder value. Any aide memoir you bring should be a fullsome and abject apology to your superiors for breaking an agreement you knowingly made with them.

The rest of you should kop on and stop misleading this impressionable young woman with all your 'rightsbabble'.
 
You're quite right, of course, AC. I'm glad to see that Mr Cromwell's 'firm but fair' ethos has been retained where it counted most.
 
Originally posted by an capall@Jul 5 2005, 01:21 PM
Griff - you broke the rules & screwed up - bend over and take your medicine. Enough already with this left wing, pinko Union shit. And don't be bringing in red herrings like your bosses daughter.

It is precisely because of attitudes like yours that companies are not maximising profits and shareholder value. Any aide memoir you bring should be a fullsome and abject apology to your superiors for breaking an agreement you knowingly made with them.

The rest of you should kop on and stop misleading this impressionable young woman with all your 'rightsbabble'.
A charming response :P

'Impressionable young woman'? You've quite obviously never met me :rolleyes:

I'm not altogether entirely stupid, and I will apologise profusely for the dreadful error that I made yesterday. However, meetings with our area manager are very few and far between. Numerous have been cancelled by her. So while she's in the building I will be putting forward all of my grieviences (is that how it's spelt???) in a calm and rational manner. And bearing in mind that I may also be handing in my notice at the same time if I don't get six weeks off unpaid, there is no better time to discuss these matters.
 
It's AC being funny, Griffin - his humour's a bit like Garlic Ripple ice-cream: you find it odd at first, but quite possibly get to enjoy it later. (Or throw up, depending...) ;)

Well, there you go - have a bash, anyway. You might as well if you don't mind walking out of the door permanently - if you do, PLEASE remember to sashay in a sassy kinda way and either leave it open if it's closed, or bang it behind you if it's open!
 
Griffin I can't agree more strongly with what Brian says above about putting everything in writing. In fact , whilst you are at it and putting your case on grievances it would be well worth your while keeping a record of the days when there is single manning , security problems etc .
 
Originally posted by krizon@Jul 5 2005, 05:41 PM
Well, there you go - have a bash, anyway. You might as well if you don't mind walking out of the door permanently - if you do, PLEASE remember to sashay in a sassy kinda way and either leave it open if it's closed, or bang it behind you if it's open!
I had to laugh at your 'wearing a low cut top for the tabloids' comment earlier :lol: I've had three children and breast fed for years, my boobs have succumbed to the forces of gravity and currently reside around thigh level without the aid of restraints. There is no way on earth they'll be gracing any publications for fear of terrifying small children :lol:
 
Griff

I know from personal experience that your employer is an utter shambles.

Your post brought back memories from my days as a student/relief shop manager for FD in Manchester

In the summer holidays, I was willing to work 60-70 hours a week, because I was a skint student and I knew the money would keep me going during term time, but I felt pity for my full time colleagues who had no choice but to do this on a full-time, permanent basis.

I don't think I have ever worked anywhere where moral was so low. The pay was crap, we were woefully understaffed and hugely over-worked. Consequently, all the good staff left and, gradually, the quality and quanity of the new joiners became lower and lower (believe me, I have worked with some dorks in betting shops in my time). They simply could not retain any good staff - and that includes the trumped-up w*nkers who call themselves area managers.

Working for 14 hours in a shop that takes 1200-1400 slips per day with only a dumb trainee cashier to assist is f*cking hard work. When you know you have to do it the next day and the day after that, it gets you down. It is impossible to cope.

The ultimate piss-take was that, because I was only part-time (officially), I didn't qualify for proper Manager pay. So, for managing some of FD's busiest branches in some VERY dodgy areas of Manchester (Moss Side, Longsight, Gorton, etc), I was paid the delightful some of £4.90 p/h (minis a daily lunch-hour that I never had time to take and excluding enforced overtime spent trying to balance a till that had been operated by a dork for 14 hours).

I eventually left to work for Hills, which was better, but not by much.

You won't be allowed to take the summer off.

Your complaints will have no impact (except that your boss will earmark you as a trouble-maker and make life worse for you).

Nothing will change. FB has no interest in the welfare of his staff and his middle-management will not be grateful for anything you do for them.

You will eventually become demoralised, exhausted and bitter. Leave now while you have the chance.

By the way, have you considered working on the phones for Stan James? From what I can gather, their Wantage office is fairly near to you. The hours, pay, surroundings and conditions are all MUCH better than in shops. You get to watch the racing, you can't smell the customers and being at the heart of a bookmaking company is far more interesting than settling Doris's 10p Rapido bets.

Ex-Betting shop managers are just what they need. PM me if you want the contact details.

Good luck, whatever you do. Don let the bastards get you down!
 
By the way, have you considered working on the phones for Stan James? From what I can gather, their Wantage office is fairly near to you. The hours, pay, surroundings and conditions are all MUCH better than in shops. You get to watch the racing, you can't smell the customers and being at the heart of a bookmaking company is far more interesting than settling Doris's 10p Rapido bets.

And of course there's the added bonus of working with yours truely :D
 
Originally posted by BrianH@Jul 5 2005, 07:49 PM
I know we have forum members who work for them in both, but why do Stan James operate in Wantage and Gibraltar?

When the SJ Gibraltar office was established, it was initially on a very small/semi-experimental scale - which was less of a gamble than shifting the whole operation there (At the time, I think VC moved almost all of his operation to Gib - but, 10 years ago, his call centre was tiny anyway).

Since then, both offices have expanded and, I suppose, there is no real reason to merge one of them into the other. Making one workforce redundant, then having to recruit another would be a costly business, I imagine.
 
Originally posted by Relkeel@Jul 5 2005, 07:07 PM
I suppose there is no real reason to merge one of them into the other.
Well, apart from avoiding the 10% gross profits payment...

I would imagine that all the heavy hitters have been diverted to Gib?
 
Originally posted by Relkeel+Jul 5 2005, 08:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Relkeel @ Jul 5 2005, 08:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-BrianH@Jul 5 2005, 07:49 PM
I know we have forum  members who work for them in both, but why do Stan James operate in Wantage and Gibraltar?

When the SJ Gibraltar office was established, it was initially on a very small/semi-experimental scale - which was less of a gamble than shifting the whole operation there (At the time, I think VC moved almost all of his operation to Gib - but, 10 years ago, his call centre was tiny anyway).

Since then, both offices have expanded and, I suppose, there is no real reason to merge one of them into the other. Making one workforce redundant, then having to recruit another would be a costly business, I imagine. [/b][/quote]
Well, almost Relks. They followed VC out to Gib thinking it was a good ploy to offer tax-free betting to the masses, and reel them in. However, the office they operated out of in Didcot was a total hole and they had recently purchased a plot in an up-and-coming business park & were planning to build a pupose-built call centre. It was whilst the new premises were being built that the decision was taken to move to Gibraltar; however, seeing the amount of money they had already piled into the new premises they thought it would be wise to retain some business in the UK. The business in Gib boomed but meanwhile the good government in the UK abolished betting tax so the previously suspended building of the new call centre was taken up again. As so much money had been put into this new call centre (which was the bees knees, incidentally), they did not own their small premises in Gibraltar (that they were outgrowing) and there were restrictions on advertising the off-shore operation in the UK the decision was taken to favour the expansion of the UK base over the Gibraltar operation. Also, the top management were still based in the UK rather than re-locating to Gibraltar, as well as the IBS service that provided prices and a bookmaking service to around 1500 independent bookmaking shops.
 
Just typical of BF. I got two idetical letters in the post this morning, detailing the crime and the time of the meeting and it stated that accompanying the letter was a copy of the discplinary procedure. Neither letter had one included. Why doesn't that surprise me. They can't even manage to send letters correctly :rolleyes:

My meeting is at 12.30 so off I go on my merry way :D
 
An interesting meeting :huh: There was the chap from security and the deputy area manager (who I shall call DAM just because it makes me laugh and it's shorter) there, and I took Pat in as my witness. Chap from security asked all the questions, while DAM scribbled it all down. He says he'll write to me and let me know of the outcome, but I'm just expecting a warning.

Then I asked DAM if I could have six weeks off unpaid and she seemed quite keen to allow me to have it. She's going to speak to the area manager this afternoon and get back to me but she says they do not want to lose me and as long as I do the odd evening or weekend here and there throughout the summer she doesn't think there'll be a problem. I was very surprised at that result! Will wait and see what the bitch above says though. She said it wasn't her decision to suspend me (I suspect that was him from security) and that she doesn't want me to leave.

So then I asked what would happen to a manager who after single maning all day chose to shut the shop and go home at 6.30pm because they refused to work 13 or 14 hours without a break. She said she doesn't know because it's never happened as far as she's aware and there are no rules in place for such instances. She says nobody is forced to single man (pull the other one). I asked if it was ok to lock the doors and leave a sign on the door saying 'back in 5 minutes' if a quick toilet break was needed and she replied that she wouldn't have any objections to that at all and that's she's done it herself. The same goes for if I wanted to do the banking.

Well I can't complain about any of that really, will just wait to see what her ladyship has to say for herself about my holidays :brows:
 
Your inability to accept your lack of professionalism in this case is worrying. How much did it cost your company to tie up two hardworking decision makers for an hour with a meeting such as this.? I find the inability of subordinates to accept process ownership to be an unwelcome development.

I am off to propose an 'industrial Asbo' scheme to the Govt.
 
Originally posted by an capall@Jul 6 2005, 06:09 PM
two hardworking decision makers
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Not a phrase generally applied to area managers, lazy arses taht most of them are!! Having said that, the SJ one is very good actually!

Love it, AC... :lol:
 
Originally posted by an capall@Jul 6 2005, 05:09 PM
two hardworking decision makers
:lol: :lol: One of which after driving around Bristol for four hours yesterday looking for two of our shops gave up and came home :lol: :lol:

Oh how safe I feel to know that my fate rests in the hands of that person :lol:
 
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