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Thank goodness for CCTV.

I wonder if more couldn't be done by the Muslim community themselves, especially as they are very quick to say how appalled they are by these actions.

Mosques are a recruiting ground for terrorists and I would expect it to be very difficult to keep that sort of 'work' secret in that environment. Perhaps now the penny might drop, but if I was a betting man, I wouldn't put money on it.

Now all they need to do is gather up the remains of the bombers, mince them all up and feed them to the pigs.
 
Originally posted by Griff.@Jul 13 2005, 02:50 AM
Mosques are a recruiting ground for terrorists
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How very true. I would recommend burning them all to the ground. Perhaps we could also gather up the muslims in our community, wrap them in pig skins and burn them alive? :angy: :angy: :angy:

What an outrageous thing to say Griff. If intelligent people are making comments like this, then it is little wonder that the BNP should feel that they can make some political ground from this tragedy.
 
Griff: the family of one of the bombers reported him missing following the explosions. You don't do this if you're a hive of fanaticism. As I predicted, there are going to be stunned and horrified Muslim families wondering how the heck they didn't notice the activities of their sons in their midst.

Do you think that Timothy McVeigh made his murderous intentions clear before bombing the Federal Building in Oklahoma City? You are supposed to keep these things S-E-C-R-E-T, you see, otherwise you kinda lose the surprise element.

There are a couple of Imams who have actually been thrown out of their Mosques because of their anti-West tirades. They preach from impromptu 'mosques' in houses, or on the streets. They've been known to all of the various authorities concerned with subversive or anti-terrorist activities for years, since they make their feelings very public to anyone who'll listen. No authority has yet claimed that they represent Al-Queda or any branch of it in this country. Whether they will now remains to be seen.

In the meantime, which brain-free moron attacked a SIKH TEMPLE, ffs?
 
Simmo, that last comment may be a little too controversial for a site like this :o and I think should be deleted if a moderator is looking in. I appreciate it is a very emotive subject, but that last comment could be deemed as citing racial hatred. It is Colin's site and I have a feeling there may well be serious repercussions if that comment is allowed to remain on public view.
 
This was reported but I think - well certainly hope - that Simmo is in fact being extremely sarcastic in response to Griff's post.

Simmo, I'm sure this is the case but I am only deducing this from knowledge of your previous posts- in all fairness many on here wouldn't be able to do the same, so would you please like to either confirm I have this right and/or edit your post accordingly.

Thanks.
 
Originally posted by Songsheet@Jul 13 2005, 08:53 AM
Simmo is in fact being extremely sarcastic in response to Griff's post.
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That's certainly the way I took it.
 
Simmo, I did think that was the case BUT if anyone else is looking in ( a google search maybe) , they may not have seen it that way. I am probably just being over sensitive but I would hate anyone to get in any trouble, especially you and of course Colin.
 
Of course he was being ironic and I can't understand how it was taken in any other way.

I am getting a surfeit of "reported to moderator" postings most of them either unnnecessary or because of personal vendettas which would be better resolved by one-on-one mud wrestling.
 
Originally posted by Griff.@Jul 13 2005, 03:50 AM
I wonder if more couldn't be done by the Muslim community themselves, especially as they are very quick to say how appalled they are by these actions.

Mosques are a recruiting ground for terrorists and I would expect it to be very difficult to keep that sort of 'work' secret in that environment.
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Go back to when the IRA was doing its worst and substitute "Catholic" for "Muslim" in the first sentence and "churches" for "mosques" in the second.

Then you will see what a silly statement it is. The terrorism is not caused by Muslims - it is caused by extremist fundamentalists. In this instance they happen to be of the Muslim faith.

Though the Koran, like the Bible, forbids such actions as they commit.
 
Originally posted by BrianH@Jul 13 2005, 08:23 AM
Of course he was being ironic and I can't understand how it was taken in any other way.

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I would have thought you of all people Brian would have known my concerns, but clearly not. Do you think everyone would have realised that Simmo was being ironic if they had read only his thread. There is a big, bad world outside of this forum.

Perhaps Colin would be the best person to ask the question when he returns and if I have over reacted, then please feel free to reinstate the posting in it's original form.

I will say no more on it.
 
Right folks! Chill! The post could have been viewed in an offensive way. This is because it was meant to be viewed in an offensive way. I accept that some people may have also viewed it as being a incitement to racal hatred, both because that is the way they feel about muslims and because they feel the opposite. In order to avoid confusion I edited it.

There is no need to argue about it though, now is there. ;)
 
As I don't delete, I don't reinstate. (I wouldn't know how to do so anyway) But the posting was still there the last time I looked.
 
Sometimes this forum beggars belief - the offensive posting is that by Griff not by simmo - is irony dead?
 
Seinfeld? Frasier? The Simpsons? M*A*S*H? Some of the most succesful US TV shows ever. As Ricky Gervais said, "it is just typical pub talk that "Americans don't do irony". It is just a ridiculous misperception". He should know - one of the biggest influences of The Office was the American film "Office Space".
 
Originally posted by Griff.@Jul 14 2005, 01:45 AM
Simmo, nothing of substance in your answer, nothing constructive to offer as an alternative, but if it's the best you can do, I can live with it.
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Firstly it was not an answer, it was a comment based on your posting.

How is it possible to come up with an alternative to "mosques are a breeding ground for terrorists". Why would one even want to? It is the sort of ridiculous statement that I would expect an organisation like the BNP to come out with, there is no evidence anywhere to suggest that this may be the case, and the evidence which I have seen with my own eyes strongly suggests it is not the case.

Given that, and given that no one else had picked up on it at the time, I felt the need to bring it to people's attention. Which I believe I probably succeeded at.

If you are imagining that I was commenting on the whole of your post then you should read my post again. The general basis of your post is sound, the muslim community probably can do more to assist the security forces.

However, the statement "mosques are a breeding ground for terrorists" is, apart from being untrue, extremely offensive to me (for the reasons outlined above) if no-one else, and it should be noted that I am far from being PC in any way.
 
Griff, this is what the offending statement in your posting put me in mind of.



Kristallnacht Order
The document on this Web page was retrieved from the archives of Shamash: The Jewish Internet Consortium.


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Message from SS-GrupenfŸhrer Heydrich to all State Police Main Offices and Field Offices, November 10 1938 (before Kristallnacht, the "night of broken glass," the first large scale pogrom against the Jews).
Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression - Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1946, Vol. III, p. 545-547.

Regards: Measures against Jews tonight.
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a. Only such measures may be taken which do not jeopardize German life or property (for instance, burning of synagogues only if there is no danger of fires for the neighbourhoods).

B. Business establishments and homes of Jews may be destroyed but not looted. The police have been instructed to supervise the execution of these directives and to arrest looters.

c. In Business streets special care is to be taken that non-Jewish establishments will be safeguarded at all cost against damage.
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As soon as the events of this night permit the use of the designated officers, as many Jews, particularly wealthy ones, as the local jails will hold, are to be arrested in all districts. Initially only healthy male Jews, not too old, are to be arrested. After the arrests have been carried out the appropriate concentration camp is to be contacted immediately with a view to a quick transfer of the Jews to the camps....
 
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