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Has it ever stooped this low?

Who reads and shares the opinions of this rag? I have the impression I never got out of London enough when I lived in England.
 
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What have they done now? Just accessed the website, and saw an article about Damilola Taylor's killer not being able to spell and Mia Farrow's son's parentage.

They were the two main stories...is it something to do with them?
 
Pointed out that Milibands father was a communist and "hated britain". Was largely based on a diary note of his when he was 17 which is ridiculous from that point of view. But not unreasonable to point out that as a marxist he would certainly have hated the freedom of expression, beliefs and enterprise. He probably would have hated our society and would have been wishing for an east german type state

Hard hitting attack and fair enough. Missus gets the Mirror and frankly the personal attacks on Cameron are even worse. And certain broadsheets and media will constantly go on about the "posh boys" and Bullingham club etc etc

Its an attack by association which i believe is wrong. But its no different to the suggestion that if someone has been to a top public school they have no sympathy for anyone outside that class. And that is certainly banged on in the media endlessly

No difference at all

I never read the Mail as it happens
 
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Thanks Clive, but are you for real?

As a Marxis, he would certainly have hated freedom of expression and beliefs? You really think that?

And do you really think that anybody would wish for an East German state over modern British society?

You're painting with a remarkably broad brush there.

But its no different to the suggestion that if someone has been to a top public school they have no sympathy for anyone outside that class.
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Who on God's earth would make that suggestion? It is completely ludicrous. You're introducing a false dichotomy here.
 
s a Marxis, he would certainly have hated freedom of expression and beliefs? You really think that?
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Show me communist society with free expression and beliefs. Are you for real?

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But its no different to the suggestion that if someone has been to a top public school they have no sympathy for anyone outside that class.
Who on God's earth would make that suggestion? It is completely ludicrous. You're introducing a false dichotomy here.
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Oh come off it. So why the endless references in the Guardian, Mirror and BBC to the Bullingham club and so on? That has been a constant theme over here

And do you really think that anybody would wish for an East German state over modern British society?
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well certainly some but in his case im sure thats too harsh. But its the inevitable results of imposition of that idealogy. Every single time
 
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Slagging off Tory toffs is not the same thing as dragging a dead-man through the gutter, in order to have a sideways pop at his son, clivex.

It's not even close.
 
Well the fact you call them "tory toffs" pretty well sinks your point doesnt it?

So if Camerons father was a nazi sympathiser you would suggest that any mention of that would be "in the gutter"?
 
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But not unreasonable to point out that as a marxist he would certainly have hated the freedom of expression, beliefs and enterprise. He probably would have hated our society and would have been wishing for an east german type state
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Utter nonsense as ever from our resident right wing nutjob.
 
Like you would fcking know> resident miserable thicko

Not that you can possibly argue the case. wouldnt have expected that.

Probably think a marxist is a fan of Night at the opera and Animal crackers
 
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Clive, there are many things where people can easily disagree. This is not one of them. Their paper in general, but particularly what they did this time, was shameless and a disgrace. If you can't see that, and I am sure you can, you are not making yourself look very good to be honest.

Your comparisons are trite and you know it.
 
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Pointed out that Milibands father was a communist and "hated britain". Was largely based on a diary note of his when he was 17 which is ridiculous from that point of view.
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Or one year older than Milliband will reduce the voting age to when elected. Clearly the ramblings of a child.
 
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Oh come off it. So why the endless references in the Guardian, Mirror and BBC to the Bullingham club and so on? That has been a constant theme over here
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What is wrong with these references? The politicians behaved in a certain way that is reflective on their characters (and maybe it is just a coincidence, but their social class). It is hardly inaccurate and is nothing to do with their dead Fathers, is it? It is to do with exactly the politicians in question and has the fairly useful advantage of actually being true.
 
Bollocks Hamm

I said i didnt agree with it for a start.

The comparisons are spot on. Its guilt by assocation or background. Exactly the same smeer against the Bullinghams

what the paper should have done is concentrate on his fathers beliefs and not smeered with the "hate britain" line. even then its a non story IMO
 
Clivex is a bot/troll. No one could seriously hold the views he does and support Chelsea. God just wouldn't let it happen
 
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What is wrong with these references? The politicians behaved in a certain way that is reflective on their characters (and maybe it is just a coincidence, but their social class). It is hardly inaccurate and is nothing to do with their dead Fathers, is it? It is to do with exactly the politicians in question and has the fairly useful advantage of actually being true.
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As ive clearly said above. Its about upbringing isnt it?

Cameron - gentry public school "toff" (as we read above)

Ed - North london head in clouds commie

Dont tell me that Camerons background (or Osbournes) has never been cited

To my mind its virtually irrelevant in leading politiicians of real ability (which like them or not..they both have)
 
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Bollocks Hamm

I said i didnt agree with it for a start.

The comparisons are spot on. Its guilt by assocation or background. Exactly the same smeer against the Bullinghams

what the paper should have done is concentrate on his fathers beliefs and not smeered with the "hate britain" line. even then its a non story IMO
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I haven't even mentioned their use of his grave in a photo yet. Interested to hear your thoughts on that and the Mail in general.

No, they are not comparable - it is not guilt by background - THEY behaved that way themselves, it was not their parents and it is not made up. It reflects exactly the kind of people they were at that time.
 
suggesting that a son is like his father with the same mindset is an absolute bollox of a story imo...its like saying that a mass murderer's family are also mass murderers

pathetic journalism.

and no..i'm no labour supporter these days..all 3 party's..or is it 4 now?,, are self serving cnuts as far as i'm concerned

the graveside pun was a real sad indictment on the sort of scummy level that some journos will stoop to these days
 
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Ok granted on the bullingham vclub but would it take long to find an article in the mirror or guardian sneering at their family background?

I dont think so

As for the first question, I never read it and dont much like what ive seen of it.
 
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Ok granted on the bullingham vclub but would it take long to find an article in the mirror or guardian sneering at their family background?

I dont think so

As for the first question, I never read it and dont much like what ive seen of it.
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its not general family background thing though is it?....its a personal attack on a dead man and the inference that the son is like his father..you have to be one thick f**ker to write a story like this..and the editor must be even denser for running it

had we better lock Peter Sutcliffe's brother up?..surely he's a murderer too using this simpleton thinking?
 
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Do you know the difference between a communist and a Marxist, Clive?
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But its barely worth splitting hairs is it? Just about every far left society has quickly gone down the routes i mentioned above. there is no real debate about that
 
EC. Is it fair to say that political beliefs are passed down generations?

Have a look at many recent leaders on both sides and you will find that is precisely the case (Blair was an exception and I think maybe Heath too).
 
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