Dam Influence

[chaumi]

Chaumi, was the ground soft? Both of those sires I would associate with soft ground horses, particularly Whipper. Wizz kids performance at Longchamp is a good example of a whipper who relished the soft going.

Exactly. It was soft.

So the Whipper runner was (reasonably obvious) given it had already had one promising run.


The question is - is there anything obvious in the dam/damsire of Dubaya which might have helped us see there might be an upset. In this case, maybe it was just purely the Dubawi influence we might have noted.

 

[Harbinger]

I'd expect a Whipper to need some help from the dam side to win over a mile at 2. The Dubawi's dam, on the other hand, has produced a couple of decent (~100 rated) middle distance horses.

 

[EC1]

I'd expect a Whipper to need some help from the dam side to win over a mile at 2. The Dubawi's dam, on the other hand, has produced a couple of decent (~100 rated) middle distance horses.

i think the term.. needs some help.. is a good one and its how i tend to look at the Dam side if there are enough offspring to go at.

Lets say a horse out of a dam stays 10f with a sire that has an average distance of say 8.5f. If another horse from same dam has a sire with 9.5f + then i would be looking to think that running at less than 10f for the second one may be a negative.

you are basically setting a marker and working from that..yes we are talking very little course evidence..but its better than nothing

 

[chaumi]

i think the term.. needs some help.. is a good one and its how i tend to look at the Dam side if there are enough offspring to go at.

Lets say a horse out of a dam stays 10f with a sire that has an average distance of say 8.5f. If another horse from same dam has a sire with 9.5f + then i would be looking to think that running at less than 10f for the second one may be a negative.

you are basically setting a marker and working from that..yes we are talking very little course evidence..but its better than nothing

Looks good...and has it worked in practice enough to warrant the thought and effort?

 

[EC1]

Looks good...and has it worked in practice enough to warrant the thought and effort?

its just one of the mental checks i do ..i've never thought its not a good clue so i'd say yes

maybe we could look at a few maidens through the winter and try and use that idea and anything else that people think is a tell about distance requirement

 

[chaumi]

its just one of the mental checks i do ..i've never thought its not a good clue so i'd say yes

maybe we could look at a few maidens through the winter and try and use that idea and anything else that people think is a tell about distance requirement

Good idea. Bound to be a few worth analysing.