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As a racehorse he was simply sensational but what he is doing this season as asire is simply outstanding, looks a better stallion than Galileo.
 
Beauty Parlour and a host of good winners in Japan. Read Harry Sweeney in The Irish Field and he has a new one every week so it seems. A little like when Damon Hill won the Australian Grand Prix someone asked if he was another Danehill!
 
He was champion sire in Australia twice by then; took a while for the Northern hemisphere to catch up.
 
sunybay said:
As a racehorse he was simply sensational but what he is doing this season as asire is simply outstanding, looks a better stallion than Galileo.
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I wonder if this is true.

Galileo has produced many winners of G1 races contested internationally. Red Rocks, Cape Blanco, Frankel, New Approach, etc.

How many of Deep Impact's top horses have won such races?
 
Of course it's not true, he hasn't even had 1 champion horse yet. He could be a better stallion, though I would say it is highly, highly unlikely.
 
Winner of the Japanese Oaks Gentildonna sired by Deep Impact this morning, out of Donna Blini.

Eight entered in Japanese Derby next weekend are by Deep Impact.

Certainly one of the strongest starts to a stallion's career but long way to go to replicate Galileo's achievements nonetheless.
 
sunybay said:
As a racehorse he was simply sensational but what he is doing this season as asire is simply outstanding, looks a better stallion than Galileo.
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Yes very good... but he was another "certainty" (to take the Arc). No horse is good enough to simply turn up for these sort of races.

I put up Rail Link to beat him and was ridiculed for that!
 
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Steve

Deep Impact had an off day, bad preparation and bad trip , ridden by an inept
obviouslt he was much better than Rail Link
 
If he was a much better horse (which is debatable), he was nevertheless one that couldn't win when you were saying it was the only result possible.



1st October 2006, 3:30 PM #175

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Location: London Get on Rail Link each-way the PMU is showing 34/1! Eight runners, must be the bet.
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2nd October 2006, 2:03 PM #265

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Location: London If Deep Impact is a 130+ horse suny he's one that has never actually run to that... I'm inclined to think he has run the race of his life in the Arc and still come up short.
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2nd October 2006, 2:56 PM #266

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With that comments it seems you have not seen any of the races of him in Japan and just have a look at the figures the RP gives,

seeing the form of the rivals beaten by him and compare it to horses running in HK against Ouija Board annd others or seein the Alkaased level this DeepImpact is easily better than 130 in the scale of timeform.

2nd October 2006, 3:43 PM #267

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Location: London I've seen nearly all of his races suny. Most of which he was allowed to beat up soft opposition.

The ratings are there for all to see. He typically runs to around 125 at his best. He has not run to 130 in any of his races. Maybe the Arc is the closest he will get to it.
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2nd October 2006, 3:54 PM #268

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Location: London He's clearly a nice horse and you can see why the Japanese have got carried away with him. But it was always going to be ambitious to go for an Arc, even if it's not the best we've seen. He's acquitted himself well but the simple truth is that the Arc is beyond him. It was just crazy to send him off at odds-on (which of course allowed the likes of Rail Link to go to a whopping win dividend even though heavily supported for place money in the pool.

Before he came to Longchamp he's only come up against a couple of decent horses and one of those beat him.
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Location: London I'd be interested to see what his Arc rating is. 127 is the best he's achieved to date and runs consistently to 125 or below.
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Location: London As guessed Deep Impact in fact ran the race of his life in the Arc 128 and was still beaten.
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Warbler were shouting about Rail Link for months before the Arc Steve..can't see your point here..you don't seem to rate horses that run away from these isles..full stop..and would put a stuffed pig up against any of them if necessary
 
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EC1 said:
Warbler were shouting about Rail Link for months Steve..can't see your point here..you don't seem to rate horses that run away from these isles..full stop..and would put a stuffed pig up against any of them if necessary
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Not saying he wasn't. Simply that these so-called good things don't have to simply turn up. If we learn that lesson now we won't get burn't at Ascot.
 
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Not saying he wasn't. Simply that these so-called good things don't have to simply turn up. If we learn that lesson now we won't get burn't at Ascot.
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i won't get burned Steve..i'll just watch..if she is 1/5 on i can't see anyone bothering can you?

i hope she runs her race..i want to see really good horses win..you don't see many special horses in a lifetime..so might as well enjoy them rather than looking behind them hoping my each way fancy to place

i wouldn't like to think if one of my grandkids asked me in the future..did you see Frankel..Black Caviar win then grandad?..and i have too say..well yes i watched the race but was more in interested to see if excelebration came 2nd so didn't really take notice of the winner;)
 
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the RPR for japanase and french races are simply a joke


Deep Impact was a 135 horse at very least and Rail Link no better than 127
he was a lucky winner of the Arc, Pride was also given a ridiculous ride by Lemaire
 
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i won't get burned Steve..i'll just watch..if she is 1/5 on i can't see anyone bothering can you?

i hope she runs her race..i want to see really good horses win..you don't see many special horses in a lifetime..so might as well enjoy them rather than looking behind them hoping my each way fancy to place

i wouldn't like to think if one of my grandkids asked me in the future..did you see Frankel..Black Caviar win then grandad?..and i have too say..well yes i watched the race but was more in interested to see if excelebration came 2nd so didn't really take notice of the winner;)
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I take your point. I actually also hope that she wins because we want to see great performers in our lifetime. I also know that all the hoping in the world is sometimes not enough, which is why I'll be betting against her.
 
The trainer of Deep Impact thought he could get away without a prep run in the Arc. After the race he regretted it and thought it was one of the factors in his defeat.
 
sunybay said:
Steve


the RPR for japanase and french races are simply a joke


Deep Impact was a 135 horse at very least and Rail Link no better than 127
he was a lucky winner of the Arc, Pride was also given a ridiculous ride by Lemaire
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Okay suny, this is all well and good. Let's say that Deep Impact is the better racehorse and I agree you have grounds to claim this. Rail Link still beat him. No horse can win by default by turning up in the world's best horse races. All horses are beaten when local conditions favour something else.

This is why some of our best stayers are beaten in the Melbourne Cup and why Black Caviar is no odds-on shot at Ascot.
 
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I take your point. I actually also hope that she wins because we want to see great performers in our lifetime. I also know that all the hoping in the world is sometimes not enough, which is why I'll be betting against her.
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i'll never get the bet thing...you have thousands of races Steve..you don't HAVE to have a bet.

for someone who likes a bet..we don't see much of you on the what are you backing thread..get on over..we can accommodate a man of your calibre;)
 
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i'll never get the bet thing...you have thousands of races Steve..you don't HAVE to have a bet.

for someone who likes a bet..we don't see much of you on the what are you backing thread..get on over..we can accommodate a man of your calibre;)
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You see I think this is a good opportunity (i.e. that she is not a value favourite) to have a bet, in that prices on the opposition will be much better than they should be.

I only tend to have a bet in the pattern races. This is my thing. I have fewer bets each season for larger stakes. This is what works for me. I can't keep up with you lot who do it every day.
 
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The trainer of Deep Impact thought he could get away without a prep run in the Arc. After the race he regretted it and thought it was one of the factors in his defeat.
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This may well be the case JO, but he still ran to an RPR of 128 and only ran slightly better than this twice in his career. My point was that he would have to run very close to his best to win the Arc (and didn’t expect him to be able to do that). He did run very close to his best and was still beaten.
 
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